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Aegon The Conqueror

Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:44 am
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:44 am
I just finished watching a Youtube video about his conquest. I couldn't help but to think how he could have done things much, much better. Once it was established that I had dragons and I will frick you up, I would have just flew to every house made them bend the knee, kill off any leader that didn't, married one of their daughters or them if a female was in charge, knocked her up until she had a son, put her in charge of that area until my son is old enough to be king, give each son 3 dragons of his own and let my blood line reign from that point on.

would that have worked or were Targaryens strictly a incest driven family?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:47 am to
Save for Dorne, I can't think of many things I would have changed being Aegon.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:50 am to
That all would've taken too long. He wanted to be king and did so pretty quickly.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:50 am to
I think my strategy lowers the chances of you being overthrown.
Posted by GumboDave
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:52 am to
Link to video?
Posted by J Murdah
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:53 am to
You should write science fiction
Posted by cattus
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:55 am to
He couldn't help it that one of his descendants would flip out in paranoia only to get stabbed in the back(by his own son Jaime I believe)

The dynasty did last almost 300 years though.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:59 am to
If the Mad King wasn't mad or died early and Rhaegar become King then the Targs would still be in charge.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:59 am to
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:00 am to
It obviously wouldn't be interesting being that the hero in all my stories would have the easiest path to victory
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:02 am to
quote:

, I would have just flew to every house made them bend the knee
how many foreign invasions have worked out like this? you can show them the stick but they need to feel it and it has to hurt so badly they never want to feel it again, no matter what.

you'd think nuking japan once was enough, but we had to do it twice and even after they made the decision to surrender there was an attempted coup to prevent this.



Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:02 am to
He let the strong challengers present themselves with massive armies. Many of the weak that wanted to deny him joined this massive army in hopes of preventing his takeover. He set most of them on fire and boo bam he's got a completely subservient kingdom.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:04 am to
quote:

one of his descendants would flip out in paranoia only to get stabbed in the back(by his own son Jaime I believe)


wut
Posted by cattus
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:06 am to
Just ignore it
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:06 am to
quote:

He let the strong challengers present themselves with massive armies. Many of the weak that wanted to deny him joined this massive army in hopes of preventing his takeover. He set most of them on fire and boo bam he's got a completely subservient kingdom.
But even in doing that, by planting your seed all across the land and giving them dragons ensures that your bloodline will rule forever
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:06 am to
a foreign invader with no armies and no riches conquers 7 separate kingdoms with different customs and cultures at odds with one another...who can argue with results?

you can show people the gun, but you have to demonstrate you're willing to pull the trigger.

Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:24 pm to
I think Aegon handled the Conquest and later kingdom organization admirably. Prepare yourself. Wall of text inc.

At the start of Aegon's Conquest we are told that there are Seven Kingdoms. This makes each kingdom and victory seem equal.

They are not.

In those days there were three superpowers and four smaller (though certainly not insignificant) forces. The Big 3 were the Gardeners, the Starks, and the newly ascendant Hoares. Each of these families was currently at the top of their game and would under almost no circumstances entertain the idea of surrender. You might kill them, but you couldn't beat them.

It's like comparing the retaking of Europe, which was contested by the Germans all the way back to Berlin, to dropping two nukes on Japan. Only after witnessing the complete and utter annihilation of their contemporaries at Harrenhall and the Field of Fire could the Starks accept that as great as they were, they didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning (which makes Dorne's later resistance ridiculous). Those battles had to happen and happen in that fashion.

Of further note is how Aegon handled the dismantling of these old powerbases and the potential threats they could pose to he and his descendants.

First we'll tackle the obvious, easy one: the Kingdom of the Isles and Rivers. Being the most recently established of all the kingdoms, it was also the easiest to disassemble into two relatively homogenous (and weaker) parts. Finishing with installing a family with every reason to be loyal to him in perpetuity on one side, this threat was easily and effectively defused.

Next we have the more difficult Reach. It's been claimed by multiple people that the Tyrells didn't deserve the succession of Highgarden, that other, more prestigious families had a greater claim and the Tyrells were simply in the right place at the right time. And they're partially right. Aegon, however, didn't want a strong and universally respected family in Highgarden. He wanted a family with just enough claim to be tolerable by the Reach lords but not enough to rally into a new Gardener dynasty. And of course the Tyrells would also be eternally grateful to him. It was genius, really.

Last we have the peculiar case of the North. By capitulating without a fight they were spared the massive weakening and political chains the other kingdoms were shackled in. I fully think Aegon would have treated the North like the Reach and installed a weaker family in power (i.e. not the Boltons) had he been forced to come in and exterminate the Starks. I'm somewhat surprised that he didn't do SOMETHING to lessen their influence in the North as he did with the other two. Perhaps upon meeting them he respected the family too much to do so. I rather doubt it, but who knows.

Aaaaannnnnndddddd that covers the major happenings of the Conquest and why I think Aegon did a fine job and Dorne has a penchant for bad storylines. What do y'all think?
Posted by hambones
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Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

What do y'all think?


Indubitably
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:36 pm to
Except now you have a bunch of heirs hungry for power of their own...with dragons
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:41 pm to
The Dance of Dragons happens immediately in your scenario instead of 120 years after the Conquest.
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