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re: Your final top 10 this season
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:34 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:34 pm to LNCHBOX
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Besides getting completely demolished in the bowl game, they squeaked out wins against Wisconsin, Northwestern, and MSU.
I'll give them credit for the win at OU. But dropping them for their performance Saturday is no overreaction as far as I'm concerned.
Drop them, sure, but how far? I'd love to put them outside of the Top 25, but it is hard to put them below most teams currently in the top 10.
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Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:38 pm to slackster
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Drop them, sure, but how far? I'd love to put them outside of the Top 25, but it is hard to put them below most teams currently in the top 10.
I have no problem with an 8-12 range. But the way they lost matters to me, and I found them to be overrated all year.
Definitely not out of the rankings entirely.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:40 pm to LNCHBOX
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No they aren't. Besides getting completely demolished in the bowl game, they squeaked out wins against Wisconsin, Northwestern, and MSU.
I'll give them credit for the win at OU. But dropping them for their performance Saturday is no overreaction as far as I'm concerned.
Ohio States 2 losses are against the #2 team in the country on a neutral site and a top 10 team on the road in a very close game. Acting like barely beating a top 10 Wisconsin team in Madison is a bad thing is laughable. Hell FSU lost in the most humiliating way against Louisville who could of hung a hundred on them if they wanted to. Clemson lost to Pitt and almost lost to Troy. Every other team other than Bama had shaky spots during the year. People need to take their blinders off acting like the entire season was only determined in the bowl games.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:56 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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Ohio States 2 losses are against the #2 team in the country on a neutral site and a top 10 team on the road in a very close game. Acting like barely beating a top 10 Wisconsin team in Madison is a bad thing is laughable.
The whole B1G was overrated this year. I'm not overly impressed.
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Hell FSU lost in the most humiliating way against Louisville who could of hung a hundred on them if they wanted to.
Are they a playoff team? Anyone claiming they had an amazing season?
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Clemson lost to Pitt and almost lost to Troy.
They had one loss, won their division, won their conference. You can't make a legitimate argument against including them.
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Every other team other than Bama had shaky spots during the yea
Bama had shaky spots too. But that's not the point.
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People need to take their blinders off acting like the entire season was only determined in the bowl games.
Blinders on is the only reason tOSU got a pass into the playoffs while they sat at home championship weekend.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:02 pm to LNCHBOX
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Blinders on is the only reason tOSU got a pass into the playoffs while they sat at home championship weekend.
I get you and ballscaster confused on here because you are two of the most argumentative arseholes in all of TD. I wish he would show up and fight you with all of the COMPREHENSIVE DATA that mandated OSU be in.
I do think the committee might start thinking about the "hot team" factor more than "total body of work" given how well USC and PSU played yesterday. That said, I still don't think a 3 loss team should ever be in.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:08 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I get you and ballscaster confused on here because you are two of the most argumentative arseholes in all of TD. I wish he would show up and fight you with all of the COMPREHENSIVE DATA that mandated OSU be in
I couldn't care less what data there is. Two conference champs should never be left out of a 4 team playoff to allow for a team that didn't win its division. I'd have had no problem with tOSU getting in if it was an 8 team field, but that's not where we are.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:11 pm to crazyatthecamp
Alabama is gonna beat Clemson so bad that Clemson will fall to #4
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:13 pm to LNCHBOX
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Blinders on is the only reason tOSU got a pass into the playoffs while they sat at home championship weekend.
. Might as well eliminate all ooc games then if they don't matter. Then you can make the argument that Penn State should have been in over Ohio State. It would have been the biggest joke ever seeing a 2 loss Penn State team with a weaker schedule jump over a 1 loss Ohio State. Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:13 pm to LNCHBOX
Fair enough. But, until the committee requires conference champs and indicates that OOC is really only used to decide which P5 is out, these arguments will rage on. Mich would have had a damn good argument to be in if Colorado had beaten Washington. People really would have gone berserk with two non-champs from the B1G.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:14 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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Might as well eliminate all ooc games then if they don't matter.
The MSB invented this logic in the past month that OOC only matters in excluding a P5 champ.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:18 pm to crazyatthecamp
1. Bama
2. Clemson
3. Washington
4. Wisconsin
5. FSU
6. Ohio St.
7. OU
8. Penn St.
9. USC
10. Ok St
2. Clemson
3. Washington
4. Wisconsin
5. FSU
6. Ohio St.
7. OU
8. Penn St.
9. USC
10. Ok St
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:19 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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Might as well eliminate all ooc games then if they don't matter.
Who said they don't matter? I gave them credit for beating OU.
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Then you can make the argument that Penn State should have been in over Ohio State.
Or I could just say decide it on the field, which PSU wins. PSU's additional loss is easily nullified by their extra win against a quality team in the B1G championship. We're not talking about a 4 loss team compared to a one loss.
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It would have been the biggest joke ever seeing a 2 loss Penn State team with a weaker schedule jump over a 1 loss Ohio State.
Given the benefit of hindsight, I'm impressed anyone can actually still say this with a straight face.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:22 pm to Bunk Moreland
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People really would have gone berserk with two non-champs from the B1G.
I would have love to have seen that chaos
. Penn State would have a much better argument against Michigan because Penn State played an extra game and would have the same amount of losses. Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:25 pm to crazyatthecamp
1.Bama
2. Clemson
3. USC
4. Penn state
5. Oklahoma
6. LSU
7. FSU
8. Wash
9. Osu
10. Wisc
Based off who I think is the best teams end of season (not whole season)
And yes, I think LSU would spank a team like osu
2. Clemson
3. USC
4. Penn state
5. Oklahoma
6. LSU
7. FSU
8. Wash
9. Osu
10. Wisc
Based off who I think is the best teams end of season (not whole season)
And yes, I think LSU would spank a team like osu
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:37 pm to LNCHBOX
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Or I could just say decide it on the field, which PSU wins. PSU's additional loss is easily nullified by their extra win against a quality team in the B1G championship. We're not talking about a 4 loss team compared to a one loss.
Penn states 2 losses before the bowls weren't just bad but really bad. They lost 49-10 to Michigan which is just as humiliating as to what happened to Ohio State against Clemson. Ohio States one loss was on the road in a 3 point loss. Ohio State has more wins against ranked teams and a win against the big 12 champ. I find it absolutely baffling how anyone can logically think Penn State deserved to be in the playoffs over Ohio State.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:43 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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Penn states 2 losses before the bowls weren't just bad but really bad.
But their conference championship was better than anything tOSU had done. I'm not a fan of the "best loss" camp. Penn State achieved more than tOSU.
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They lost 49-10 to Michigan which is just as humiliating as to what happened to Ohio State against Clemson
Losing in September is not the same as being shutout when you had a month to prepare for one team in the biggest game of the season.
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Ohio State has more wins against ranked teams and a win against the big 12 champ.
And yet they still didn't win their conference or division.
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. I find it absolutely baffling how anyone can logically think Penn State deserved to be in the playoffs over Ohio State.
It's pretty fricking simple, and the results of the games only further show it.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:49 pm to LNCHBOX
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But their conference championship was better than anything tOSU had done. I'm not a fan of the "best loss" camp. Penn State achieved more than tOSU.
So earlier you were discrediting Ohio State for beating Wisconsin at Wisconsin, but Penn State beating Wisconsin at a neutral site eliminates an extra loss and overcomes Ohio States better schedule?
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Losing in September is not the same as being shutout when you had a month to prepare for one team in the biggest game of the season.
That loss in September means a hell of a lot more if you're trying to get to the CFP
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And yet they still didn't win their conference or division.
Bama didn't win their conference or division in 2011 and last time I checked they're considered the best team from that year.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:52 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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So earlier you were discrediting Ohio State for beating Wisconsin at Wisconsin, but Penn State beating Wisconsin at a neutral site eliminates an extra loss and overcomes Ohio States better schedule?
Winning the conference absolutely makes up for the extra loss PSU had.
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That loss in September means a hell of a lot more if you're trying to get to the CFP
If you reversed tOSU and PSU, tOSU would have still gone. You can't possibly argue against that, can you?
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Bama didn't win their conference or division in 2011 and last time I checked they're considered the best team from that year.
LSU and Bama were head and shoulders over everyone else in college football that year. Regardless, that shouldn't have happened IMO. However, they aren't the ones that got shut out either.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:55 pm to crazyatthecamp
Bama
Clemson
Michigan
Washington
OSU
FSU
Penn St.
Wisconsin
Auburn
LSU
Clemson
Michigan
Washington
OSU
FSU
Penn St.
Wisconsin
Auburn
LSU
Posted on 1/3/17 at 4:00 pm to LNCHBOX
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If you reversed tOSU and PSU, tOSU would have still gone. You can't possibly argue against that, can you?
Personally I don't think Ohio State would have gone, but with the human element in the CFP committee wanting big name teams in there I can't say with certainty Ohio state would have been left out.
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However, they aren't the ones that got shut out either.
LSU did
the worst day ever as a fan.
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