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Would Baseball's Eligibility Requirements Work for BBall?

Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:55 pm
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8586 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:55 pm
You would be able to either declare for the draft straight from high school OR sign with a college basketball program and only be eligible three years later

Maybe two would be more realistic..

I think it would improve the college game to a level of play that's much better than the product we see nowadays.

It would also allow phenoms a chance at getting to the next level while others hone their game in college and improve their draft stock.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 3/25/17 at 11:57 pm to
Its up to the NBA
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
2723 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 8:07 am to
If you follow the baseball model it would be ideal. Help the NCAA and NBA all at the same time.

Drafted out of high school.

Go Juco and be a one and done.

Go to a university and you are there for 3 years before being draft eligible.
Posted by StlPoke
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2017
1191 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 8:16 am to
It would require the NBA to expand the D League so that each franchise has their own D League team.

Maybe expand the draft another round.

The only way it would work is if the NBA embraced a minor league
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 8:19 am
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
8539 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 8:26 am to
Go the NHL route and allow teams to draft players and hold their rights through college. That way a team has some control over a player's development and can tell them they need to stay in school to get some finishing to their game. If they come out early it would be because they are ready not just to get drafted because their draft status is already secured.

Eligibility: Any North American player who turns 18 by September 15 and does not turn 20 by Decemeber 31 is eligible for the draft. Any non-North American player can be drafted at any age if they are at least 18 by September 15. If a player is 18, they must declare themselves eligible, but if a player turns 19 by September 15th, they are automatically eligible for selection in the draft.
Signability: If a player is not drafted by age of 20, that player becomes an unrestricted free agent. A player not signed by drafted team within two years can reenter draft, assuming they are still eligible, and if they are not eligible, will become unrestricted an free agent. A team has the rights of an NCAA player until 30 days after the player leaves the college. If a player is drafted a second time, they can not reenter the draft. If a player has entered the draft twice and not been selected, they then become free agents regardless of age. A non-North American player can not be signed unless they are drafted first.
Posted by yaherrdme
The Place to Be
Member since Feb 2004
5441 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 9:01 am to
You do realize college baseball is only slightly better than HS baseball in most of the country ??...why would you want that for basketball too???....In baseball the overwhelming majority of top prospects always skip college and go straight to the minors/pros, the same would be the case for basketball..the nba would just expand their "minor leagues"
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29984 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:37 am to
why should we be allowed to,limit what an adult can do with their future? Sorry sir, you're not allowed to obtain gainful employment worth hundreds of thousands of dollars because we need you to supply those same skills to a multimillion dollar industry on the pretense of an education that you'll likely never use.

Sound downright anti american to me.
Posted by StlPoke
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2017
1191 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:50 am to
No one is forcing the kids to go to college. They can go overseas. They can work out for a year.

The university provides training, nutrition, coaching, and most importantly exposure that enables the kid to maximize their value. That's why kids take that route.

Also, tons of industries force employees to attend college before being able to be gainfully employed in positions.
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 11:57 am
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8586 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 12:55 pm to
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Sound downright anti american to me.


Training for a job is downright anti american?

Let's just allow extremely gifted high school scholars who enjoy medicine to start training in a residency then

Raising your draft stock and getting increased exposure because you were NOT drafted out of high school is anti american? I was open to discussion of this but, that's just silly.
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8586 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

to supply those same skills to a multimillion dollar industry on the pretense of an education that you'll likely never use.


Ok just caught this and it's fricking stupid.

Do you know how many positions are available in the NBA for gainful employment? There can be a max of 15 players on an NBA roster. That means for the entire NBA, there are only 450 players.

It's one of THE most competitive jobs arguably in the world when you take into a count there are literally thousands of NCAA basketball players eligible to make it to the league.

Yet, you think a free education at an accredited university the likes of UCLA, UNC, Florida, etc. for an NCAA basketball student athlete will never be used even though the likelihood of not having a career in basketball is extremely high.

Wow.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:17 pm to
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27304 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

why should we be allowed to,limit what an adult can do with their future? Sorry sir, you're not allowed to obtain gainful employment worth hundreds of thousands of dollars because we need you to supply those same skills to a multimillion dollar industry on the pretense of an education that you'll likely never use. Sound downright anti american to me.
No.. the NBA teams decided they want to raise the age because they didn't want to draft 18 year olds.

It's 100% American to allow a business the freedom to hire who they want and make their rules.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13615 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:31 pm to
Don't thing the blue bloods like Kentucky and Duke would let this happen. They'd lose a lot of players were required to pass for three years and turn down many millions in the process.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27304 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:33 pm to
The colleges don't have a choice.

It's an NBA rule.
Posted by StlPoke
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2017
1191 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:36 pm to
It would just transfer down. They would get the pick of whatever high level players are willing to stay for 3 years.

The one issue they would run into is they wouldn't be able to miss like they do occasionally now. (though I guess they could learn from Saban and process)
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29984 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:24 pm to
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The university provides training, nutrition, coaching, and most importantly exposure that enables the kid to maximize their value. That's why kids take that route.

I believe the Op was talking about one and done guys and possibly fringe draft players coming out of HS or after year one in college. most of what you're talking about does not apply to those kids. Most of those kids also do not need much exposure.
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Also, tons of industries force employees to attend college before being able to be gainfully employed in position


True but that's only professions that need specific skill sets that are only taught in college and only specific jobs in those industries.
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 2:27 pm
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29984 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

Let's just allow extremely gifted high school scholars who enjoy medicine to start training in a residency then


god I hope you're kidding and not equating hitting a 3 pointer to understanding human anatomy and differential diagnoses of diseases.

quote:

Raising your draft stock and getting increased exposure because you were NOT drafted out of high school is anti american? I was open to discussion of this but, that's just silly.


I gotta work on that sarcasm font

Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29984 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:40 pm to
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Ok just caught this and it's fricking stupid.


Which part is stupid? The fact that college basketball is a multimillion dollar business (perhaps not for most colleges, though. Definitely for the ESPNs of the world, though)

Or the fact that those players likely to get drafted/leave early for the draft often, if not usually, are really marginally attending college and will get no benefit from a degree if they even get one?

In truth, if education is what you're worried about you should clear the field of those players who want to attempt to go pro to allow players who want this as a route to an education to get one. Of course the on court product may suffer as a result.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29984 posts
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:47 pm to
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It's 100% American to allow a business the freedom to hire who they want and make their rules.


Honestly, I don't have an issue there, but some of that decision was related to pressure put on them by the media ad the NCAA. I do understand how some feel there is a sort of collusion by the owners to stifle what some see as oppourtunities for what are often poorer individuals. I don't actuall think this is the case but I understand the reasoning.

The anti American comment was supposed to be to tongue in cheek.

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