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Win or lose, LBJ should be Finals MVP
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:03 am
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:03 am
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James' average line in these NBA Finals is 36.6 points, 12.4 rebounds, and 8.4 assists per game. Only Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal and James Worthy have managed to do that in a single NBA Finals game since 1986. James is doing it every game. James is the only person to have 35 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists in that time frame ... and he's done it three times in this series.
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His 40-point triple-double in Game 5 was the first in decades. James had 20 points, eight rebounds and eight assists by halftime, something nobody has done in any game -- finals, postseason or regular season -- since James entered the league.
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James is the Cavaliers' offense. He scored or assisted 16 of their 17 first half baskets, including every one in the second quarter. He ended up scoring or assisting 26 of their 32 field goals.
He's doing this out of necessity. When James is on the court, the Cavaliers score 97.2 points per 100 possessions. When he is off the court, they score 54.6 points per 100 possessions. THAT IS VERY BAD.
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R. Smith loves trying, but he is woefully inefficient in doing so. Tristan Thompson can score on offensive rebounds, but isn't a great post-up player. Timofey Mozgov works best in the pick-and-roll, which needs James to act as ball-handler. There was one possession in Game 5 where Matthew Dellavedova tried going one-on-one with his defender. It looked like an escaped zoo animal trying to break out of a lasso after being hit with a tranquilizer dart.
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Whether the move away from rewarding losing players is a conscious effort on the part of leagues, a change in the voting procedures or thought processes for participating media or merely a coincidence is unclear. But it is clear that nobody is particularly interested in making an incredibly awkward moment happen.
Picture the scenario of the Warriors winning and James winning the MVP. The confetti-covered Warriors are celebrating their team's first championship in 40 years. It's the photo opportunity of a lifetime, a moment Warriors fans will cherish for decades to come.
And now Adam Silver has to speak into a microphone and tell everybody that none of them was good enough to win MVP. They have to stand aside as somebody goes searching for LeBron. Is he in the locker room? Does he come out, despite being devastated by defeat, to receive the trophy on stage? Does somebody go quietly bring it to him backstage? Does he even want the dang thing? Everybody involved hates it. The LeBron-hating contingent would go apoplectic, convinced once and for all that people will go to great lengths to praise James in spite of his consistent failures.
For these reasons, James will almost certainly need to will the Cavaliers to a win in Game 7 in order to be the NBA Finals MVP. If he doesn't, somebody on the Warriors -- probably Curry, perhaps Iguodala or somebody else depending on what happens in the future -- will get the award.
But let's not forget what James is doing against incredible odds.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:06 am to NorthGAVol
Isn't that similar to saying Peyton Manning should have won the MVP when he was out for the season and the Colts won only 3 games? Winning is a big deal..?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:06 am to NorthGAVol
Lebron: Shooting 39.87% overall, 36.23% in his Wins.
Jerry West shot 49%, higher than all player cept wilt who was 50%
Jerry West shot 49%, higher than all player cept wilt who was 50%
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:07 am to Rhino5
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Isn't that similar to saying Peyton Manning should have won the MVP when he was out for the season
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:07 am to NorthGAVol
Shooting 30/100 makes you mvp?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:07 am to Rhino5
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Isn't that similar to saying Peyton Manning should have won the MVP when he was out for the season and the Colts won only 3 games? Winning is a big deal..?
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It's not even close to the same argument fwiw.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:07 am to NorthGAVol
You have an argument for season MVP
But finals MVP in a finals in which he lost? No. Hell no.
But finals MVP in a finals in which he lost? No. Hell no.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:08 am to Rhino5
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Isn't that similar to saying Peyton Manning should have won the MVP when he was out for the season and the Colts won only 3 games?
If you're brain dead maybe.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:09 am to NorthGAVol
There is no argument that can convince me otherwise.
1) He is averaging 36.6 points, 12.4 rebounds, 8.4 assists per game. The production is obviously there, and no player, including Steph Curry, is averaging what he is and has played so consistently every single game.
He is breaking a finals record after every performance.
2) Is the MVP actually for the most valuable player? Well:
- Lebron assisted on or scored every point other than 6 points in the second half last night
- Consider what this current cavs team would be without lebron. They would be the worst team in the NBA. And yet, with Lebron, they are hanging in there with the Warriors by being down 3-2 and playing competitively.
You tell me how valuable Lebron is.
3) Lebron is the best player in the world - so there is that.
1) He is averaging 36.6 points, 12.4 rebounds, 8.4 assists per game. The production is obviously there, and no player, including Steph Curry, is averaging what he is and has played so consistently every single game.
He is breaking a finals record after every performance.
2) Is the MVP actually for the most valuable player? Well:
- Lebron assisted on or scored every point other than 6 points in the second half last night
- Consider what this current cavs team would be without lebron. They would be the worst team in the NBA. And yet, with Lebron, they are hanging in there with the Warriors by being down 3-2 and playing competitively.
You tell me how valuable Lebron is.
3) Lebron is the best player in the world - so there is that.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 11:09 am
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:09 am to Cosmo
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Shooting 30/100 makes you mvp?
He's shooting 40% fwiw
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:09 am to LNCHBOX
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If you're brain dead maybe.
Hey now... there's always the chance that poster is Austin Collie :/
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:11 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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LeGoat gonna LeGoat
which is piss and moan all the way to losing another finals
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:12 am to NorthGAVol
FYI the 1969-70 Lakers roster in which Jerry West won finals MVP in a losing effort(10x better than what LeBron is working with...)
22 Elgin Baylor SF 6-5 225 September 16, 1934 11 Seattle University
13 Wilt Chamberlain C 7-1 275 August 21, 1936 10 University of Kansas
31 Mel Counts C 7-0 230 October 16, 1941 5 Oregon State University
21 Johnny Egan PG 5-11 180 January 31, 1939 8 Providence College
24 Keith Erickson SF 6-5 195 April 19, 1944 4 University of California, Los Angeles
20 Dick Garrett SG 6-3 185 January 31, 1947 R Southern Illinois University
52 Happy Hairston PF 6-7 225 May 31, 1942 5 New York University
30 Bill Hewitt PF 6-7 210 August 8, 1944 1 University of Southern California
33 Mike Lynn SF 6-7 215 November 25, 1945 R University of California, Los Angeles
15 Willie McCarter SG 6-3 175 July 26, 1946 R Drake University
35 Rick Roberson C 6-9 231 July 7, 1947 R University of Cincinnati
14 John Tresvant PF 6-7 215 November 6, 1939 5 Seattle University
44 Jerry West PG 6-2 175 May 28, 1938 9 West Virginia University
22 Elgin Baylor SF 6-5 225 September 16, 1934 11 Seattle University
13 Wilt Chamberlain C 7-1 275 August 21, 1936 10 University of Kansas
31 Mel Counts C 7-0 230 October 16, 1941 5 Oregon State University
21 Johnny Egan PG 5-11 180 January 31, 1939 8 Providence College
24 Keith Erickson SF 6-5 195 April 19, 1944 4 University of California, Los Angeles
20 Dick Garrett SG 6-3 185 January 31, 1947 R Southern Illinois University
52 Happy Hairston PF 6-7 225 May 31, 1942 5 New York University
30 Bill Hewitt PF 6-7 210 August 8, 1944 1 University of Southern California
33 Mike Lynn SF 6-7 215 November 25, 1945 R University of California, Los Angeles
15 Willie McCarter SG 6-3 175 July 26, 1946 R Drake University
35 Rick Roberson C 6-9 231 July 7, 1947 R University of Cincinnati
14 John Tresvant PF 6-7 215 November 6, 1939 5 Seattle University
44 Jerry West PG 6-2 175 May 28, 1938 9 West Virginia University
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:14 am to NorthGAVol
No question. Arguing that he isn't the most valuable individual player on the court at all times is actually completely unreasonable.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:15 am to Chad504boy
quote:Oh yeah? If you like that you'll love this...
higher than all player cept wilt
I believe Lebron has lead BOTH teams in points assists and rebounds twice now in these finals. Why shouldn't he get it?
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:15 am to Jcorye1
Making light of the kool-aid drinkers. You need to win the championship to win the MVP otherwise he just wasn't valuable enough, unless second place is your goal.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:16 am to LSUSoulja08
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You have an argument for season MVP
Second half of the season maybe.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:18 am to Rhino5
quote:I dare you to explain this in any reasonable way
Making light of the kool-aid drinkers. You need to win the championship to win the MVP otherwise he just wasn't valuable enough
Posted on 6/15/15 at 11:18 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:Being the most valuable player to a losing team is still less valuable than the most valuable player on the winning team.
I dare you to explain this in any reasonable way
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