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re: Why is Archie Manning going down as a great quarterback?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:30 am to TigerBait1127
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:30 am to TigerBait1127
True, but he was 3rd in passing attempts in the conference and 7th in rushing attempts in the conference. Let that sink in. He did everything for Ole Miss.
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:48 am to SwaggerCopter
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If Peyton Manning was never born, nobody talks about the Mannings today. I truly believe that.
And I'm sure that would be just fine with the Mannings.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:52 am to slackster
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He did everything for Ole Miss.
I think the ole miss love is deserved.
I also get the saints fan love. They just overvalue him imo
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:52 am to SEClint
Watch that Manning SEC Storied show and he was Johnny Football back in that time in college. You can't say anything about his career with the Saints because that was a pitiful organization. College teams would have manhandled the Saints back then.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 9:55 am to nicholastiger
The saints had talent in the late 70s
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:02 am to Jack Daniel
Saints never retired his number? Wow!
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:04 am to SOCAL TIGER
Should Aaron Brooks have his number retired?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:11 am to TigerBait1127
Maybe I'm under-valuing his running production at that time. But his passing stats are VERY mediocre.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:13 am to TigerBait1127
Just checked and yes his number 8 is retired. Very good player on very has Saints teams. Very good player who brought prominence to Ole Miss. His sons have definitely given tenure to his name and place in football. I will say no success for his sons and would be doing Saints color work his entire life. If you can't get to the kids the dad is the next best thing. I think he tarnished his reputation when he got involved with where he wanted Eli to play. Again the Payton shadow smoothed that over. Anyone else and football purists would still talk about it. Still find it hard to believe he is on the selection committee. And he's hates LSU! No doubt.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:13 am to TigerBait1127
I hate defending Archie, but come on... the modern passing game hadn't been invented yet. We were just barely crawling into the modern era. Look at the top 3 in the Heisman in his senior year:
Plunkett: 211/388, 2980 yds, 19/19 TD/INT
Theismann: 155/268, 2429 yds, 16/14 TD/INT
Manning: 121/233, 1481 yds, 14/14 TD/INT
It was just a different era. I do think Ole miss fans overrate him, just because he was the last time Ole Miss was relevant, but he was still a very good QB. And certainly the best they've had in the modern era.
Though I will use this as a moment to point out how terribly underrated Bert Jones is/was. That was the 1970 Heisman stats. Here's Jones in 1972:
110/218, 1536 yds, 14/7 TD/INT
Pretty similar to Archie, and then Jones would explode in the pros. He's win the MVP in 1976 by leading the league in passing. Had he not suffered some killer injuries, he'd be talked about in the same league as Staubach and Stabler. He really only had three years as a starter before injuries derailed his career, back when you didn't come back from knee injuries. During his brief 3 years as a starter his average line was 211/360, 2758 yds, 20/9 TD/INT. He went 31-11 as a starter.
It's not that Archie is overrated, it's that Bert Jones is underrated. The Ruston Rifle was better.
Plunkett: 211/388, 2980 yds, 19/19 TD/INT
Theismann: 155/268, 2429 yds, 16/14 TD/INT
Manning: 121/233, 1481 yds, 14/14 TD/INT
It was just a different era. I do think Ole miss fans overrate him, just because he was the last time Ole Miss was relevant, but he was still a very good QB. And certainly the best they've had in the modern era.
Though I will use this as a moment to point out how terribly underrated Bert Jones is/was. That was the 1970 Heisman stats. Here's Jones in 1972:
110/218, 1536 yds, 14/7 TD/INT
Pretty similar to Archie, and then Jones would explode in the pros. He's win the MVP in 1976 by leading the league in passing. Had he not suffered some killer injuries, he'd be talked about in the same league as Staubach and Stabler. He really only had three years as a starter before injuries derailed his career, back when you didn't come back from knee injuries. During his brief 3 years as a starter his average line was 211/360, 2758 yds, 20/9 TD/INT. He went 31-11 as a starter.
It's not that Archie is overrated, it's that Bert Jones is underrated. The Ruston Rifle was better.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:14 am to Jack Daniel
Archie is a folk hero. His stats aren't gaudy, but he went out there every week and gave it everything he had. That he sired two NFL QBs (one arguably the greatest of all time, the other a two time Super Bowl MVP) definitely boosts his legend.
With a lot of players, it's not all about stats. Archie Manning is one of those players.
With a lot of players, it's not all about stats. Archie Manning is one of those players.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:40 am to Jack Daniel
If you don't understand why Archie is celebrated at Ole Miss, it's because you've never actually watched footage from his games. He won some big games and was an innovator at the QB position. He firmly resides in SEC folklore as an icon of his era. Watch the Book of Manning, the ESPN 30 for 30 film, and it will give you a flavor for how good Archie was and why he is still so well-loved.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:56 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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Wayne Campbell
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PeepleHeppinBidness
Well said.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:00 am to DelU249
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and Tanner Lee will "go down" as the GOAT Newman QB
quite a feat for a Jesuit Blue Jay
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:16 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
I've watched it. Just because he played for a terrible program doesn't make him better than what he was.
The white shiny stuff on chicken shite is chicken shite too.
The white shiny stuff on chicken shite is chicken shite too.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:37 am to Jack Daniel
NFL Films did a great piece on Manning back in the late 90s. It was called "The Best of the Worst"
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:17 pm to Jack Daniel
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The white shiny stuff on chicken shite is chicken shite too.
Solid post.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:21 pm to Jack Daniel
Sometimes it's better to let people think you're a dumbass than to open your mouth and confirm it.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:25 pm to TigerBait1127
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I think the ole miss love is deserved.
If you think about it he was the 1st real Highlight reel QB. He could run and throw and caused havoc in a different manner than any other QB before him...
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:41 pm to dukke v
The Manning hate is strong on here.
Why do people even care? It's baffling to me.
Why do people even care? It's baffling to me.
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