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Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:51 am to CocomoLSU
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've always said it's faster if you dive and hit the ground and the bag at the same time (i.e. no friction from you actually sliding)
Its actually always faster(on average)
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:55 am to barry
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Why do PROFESSIONAL baseball players slide head first into 1st?
to avoid the tag on a bad throw. only reason
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:59 am to Lester Earl
Meh these players grew up with Dads who loved Pete Rose and never shutup about his hustle and love for the game that you just don't see anymore 
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:01 am to Lester Earl
quote:So why do they slide when it isnt a bad throw? To be honest, they usually slide when it is a close play with a good throw. Multiple times when it is a bad throw I always think to myself why didnt they slide to avoid the tag
to avoid the tag on a bad throw. only reason
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:18 am to lsupride87
The main reason they slide into second or third is it makes it easier to stop on the bag and not slide over. At first you can run through it and not have to worry about being tagged, so that's another reason it's dumb other than on a bad thrown inside of the line.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:20 am to sicboy
quote:Whats funny is this would actually be a smart time to slide into first; however, I dont think I have ever actually seen it done in this scenario
other than on a bad thrown inside of the line.
ETA: One of the most famous plays of all time never should have happened. If that dumbass slides into home instead of strolling in like Fonzi the famous Jeter relay is forgotten.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 10:22 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:21 am to lsupride87
Well, it would add to the element of surprise. The first baseman isn't likely expecting the slide and he would swipe high before making the adjustment.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:21 am to barry
Not to break the cocaine vial in back pocket.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:29 am to LasVegasTiger
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Not to break the cocaine vial in back pocket.
Tim Raines Approves.....
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:31 am to lsupride87
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So why do they slide when it isnt a bad throw?
no reason to
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:34 am to CocomoLSU
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I've always said it's faster if you dive and hit the ground and the bag at the same time (i.e. no friction from you actually sliding). But if you slide five feet out and physically slide into the bag, then obviously it's slower.
This is wrong. First, here is proof Sports Science on the question
Also I'll use little league coach lingo: "If diving at the end was faster, Olympic sprinters would dive at the end of a race."
The only possible reason (other than avoiding a tag) to slide head first into first base is to make the call harder for the umpire, which probably never works in the MLB, and is now pointless thanks to replay.
Also, even if it was faster to time the dive perfectly and hit the bag before the ground (which it isn't) you are taking a huge risk because if you hit the ground first you are going to slow down a ton. This isn't even taking into account how much more likely you are to hurt yourself...
Sliding into first = slower
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:37 am to Tiger1242
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Also I'll use little league coach lingo: "If diving at the end was faster, Olympic sprinters would dive at the end of a race."
But they lean forward...ever think the reason they don't dive is because they would likely severely injure themselves?
About to watch your video..
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:39 am to Tiger1242
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Also I'll use little league coach lingo: "If diving at the end was faster, Olympic sprinters would dive at the end of a race."
They would be some tough SOBs.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:42 am to CocomoLSU
Just watched the video. Interesting that it's so close...although not every one of his dives were "perfect" where he lands at the bag.
Cool how the beginning of the dive takes a good lead, but that extra step catches the runner back up.
I guess in theory it's the fastest to dive over the bag and let your penis drag over it.
Cool how the beginning of the dive takes a good lead, but that extra step catches the runner back up.
I guess in theory it's the fastest to dive over the bag and let your penis drag over it.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:47 am to Tiger1242
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Also I'll use little league coach lingo: "If diving at the end was faster, Olympic sprinters would dive at the end of a race."
I'll play devil's advocate here and ask you why do outfielders sometimes dive and catch the ball at the last possible second? By your reasoning they should stay upright and they'd catch it faster.
It all depends on when the "diver" launches and if they touch the ground. To have a blanket argument on which is faster is hard to prove/disprove. If he launches at the right time then his extension will propel him to the base faster. But if he's off by just a tad and spends too much time in the air or sliding on the ground, he's slower.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:47 am to barry
How many times do you see an errant throw pull the 1B off the bag but he makes a swipe tag to get the batter out? Lots.
If the runner had slid the swipe tag doesn't work and the runner is safe.
The problem is that the batter has to determine the liklihood of an errant throw. For example, if I hit the ball deep into the hole and the SS is moving toward 3B to make a backhanded stop the liklihood of a bad throw is high.
The 1B coach could help but it's a split second decision and rarely works.
If the runner had slid the swipe tag doesn't work and the runner is safe.
The problem is that the batter has to determine the liklihood of an errant throw. For example, if I hit the ball deep into the hole and the SS is moving toward 3B to make a backhanded stop the liklihood of a bad throw is high.
The 1B coach could help but it's a split second decision and rarely works.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:53 am to htownjeep
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I'll play devil's advocate here and ask you why do outfielders sometimes dive and catch the ball at the last possible second? By your reasoning they should stay upright and they'd catch it faster.
They dive in order to get the ball at it's lowest point, thus giving them more time to catch the ball. When running to first base there is no reason to get it at it's lowest point. Also the initial lunge in the air is faster, it's just slower by the time they hit the ground (or base).
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It all depends on when the "diver" launches and if they touch the ground. To have a blanket argument on which is faster is hard to prove/disprove. If he launches at the right time then his extension will propel him to the base faster. But if he's off by just a tad and spends too much time in the air or sliding on the ground, he's slower.
This I can agree with, but with so little room for error you are going to be slower more often than faster
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:53 am to CocomoLSU
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But they lean forward...ever think the reason they don't dive is because they would likely severely injure themselves?
Base runners lean forward as well
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:03 am to barry
...because an umpire is trained to use their ears not their eyes on a close play at first. It creates confusion because they can't hear the runner's foot on the bag.
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