re: Who is the greatest golfer ever: Tiger or Jack?

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Compare the clubs and technology that went into design and manufacture of them in Jack's era to Tiger's era. For example: Nicklaus shot 17-under par 271 in 1965 for a 72-hole record lasting 32 years until Tiger Woods shot 18-under par 270 in 1997

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Right. Because the course didn't change at all during that time period

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Do you think Michigan is the best football program? I mean, they have the most total wins right?

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Holy shite did this just happen?

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If you are going to bring this up, you should also mention that the phrase Tiger-proofing became a thing as courses started to try to prevent Tiger from embarrassing them.

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""It took away -- at the time when I was still one of the longest players out here -- it took away the par-5s," Woods said of how Augusta National has changed for him. "I used to hit driver and iron to every par-5. That's what Freddie [Couples] used to do. That's what I used to do. And back when Jack [Nicklaus] played in his day, that's what he used to do."

That was from an ESPN article. So Tiger and Jack were going at the course in the same way - and abusing the course in the same way. And Tiger-proofing wasn't a thing in the instance I mention.

Then there's this: Tiger Proofing Done the Opposite

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Jack had longevity and consistency on his side but Tiger Woods at his peak is the best golfer in history and I do not believe there's a close second.


Career: Jack > Tiger

Comparing the two when both have their A+ games: Tiger >> Jack

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Was listening to an interview with Gary Player before the Masters. He said Tiger is the most talented golfer the world has ever seen. He also thinks, which is a huge conjecture on his part, that had Tiger never messed with his swing after 2002 that he would have won over 20 majors.

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that had Tiger never messed with his swing after 2001 that he would have won over 20 majors.

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Tiger won 8 majors post 2001.....

Was Player insinuating he wouldnt have gotten injured?

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Compare the clubs and technology that went into design and manufacture of them in Jack's era to Tiger's era. For example: Nicklaus shot 17-under par 271 in 1965 for a 72-hole record lasting 32 years until Tiger Woods shot 18-under par 270 in 1997. So, 32 years of advancement in the tools of goldf and Tiger at his best was one stroke better than Nicklaus.

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Well, if you want to take clubs into account, you also have to take courses into account. They were more difficult in Tiger's era than Jack's. And Tiger's equipment back then wasn't that much better. However, the jump in technology from 2000 to the present is astronomical. I actually saw a bit on TV where pros were hitting old school wooden drivers and they really didn't lose all that much in distance compared to drivers of Tiger's era of dominance. The big jump you see now is anyone can hit the ball 300 and clubs are much more forgiving with oversized heads, ultra light graphite shafts, etc. Tiger actually had been using outdated equipment for years until very recently.

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had Tiger never messed with his swing after 2001 that he would have won over 20 majors.

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And been in a wheel chair. His swing was so violent and all of that was going straight into his left knee.

It’s called Chronicles of a Champion Golfer.

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Thought he hit the Titleist 975

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Tiger Woods' 1997 Masters equipment setup

Driver: King Cobra Deep Face* (True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shaft), 9 degrees

3-wood: Titleist PT 15 (True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shaft), 15 degrees

Irons: Mizuno MP-29 (2-4; True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shafts), MP-14 (5-PW; True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shafts).

Wedges: Cleveland 588 RTG (56 and 60 degrees; True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 shafts)

Putter: Scotty Cameron Newport TeI3

Ball: Titleist Professional 90