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What's hindering the Deshaun Watson hype?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:08 am
Now before I begin, let it be known that I am pretty much the opposite of anything close to objective on this subject. I've watched every game Deshaun has played since his senior year in high school so I'm just a little partial.
Having said that, though, what am I missing here? Also, let it be known that I'm not saying Deshaun is superior to all QB prospects, but is there seriously a debate between him and Mitch (o wait sorry, "Mitchell") Trubisky?!?! Is this real life??? Let's go through what we know:
-It seemed like people questioned Deshaun's true size throughout his career and made Trubisky out to have some Flacco-esque frame, but Deshaun was taller and had bigger hands. He's also someone who came to Clemson at 180 and in three years added over forty pounds of rocksolid muscle to get to 221. That sort of body transformation is incredibly impressive.
-I always hear people say Deshaun is an average or adequate athlete. Wtf are these people talking about? Do they know you don't have to be a jitterbug like Vick or Lamar Jackson to be an incredible athlete? Do they not see the way he glides and moves so effortlessly? The body control? He's not gonna be some scrambler in the NFL, but to say this guy is an average athlete for the QB position is simply false.
-Deshaun has twice played the closest thing to an NFL defense there is in college and was the best person on the field in both games. When was the last time Trubisky played in a game and people thought inarguably he was the best player in the game?
-For some reason people mention Deshaun's system, but there's never the same concerns mentioned about Trubisky. He also plays in a spread system and a much more simplistic one than Deshaun's. It would be one thing if you were comparing Deshaun to a pro style QB, but why isn't this strike mentioned against Trubisky when he plays in a similar system?
I understand that there are concerns about how Deshaun translates to the next level. I myself wonder how he will do and struggle with the number of interceptions he threw so this is in no way shape or form some sort of argument for him to go first overall, but Mitch Trubisky. Really? I know it's a different game and you have to project to the next level, but damn don't overthink it guys. I can't think of a single thing he does better than Deshaun.
Having said that, though, what am I missing here? Also, let it be known that I'm not saying Deshaun is superior to all QB prospects, but is there seriously a debate between him and Mitch (o wait sorry, "Mitchell") Trubisky?!?! Is this real life??? Let's go through what we know:
-It seemed like people questioned Deshaun's true size throughout his career and made Trubisky out to have some Flacco-esque frame, but Deshaun was taller and had bigger hands. He's also someone who came to Clemson at 180 and in three years added over forty pounds of rocksolid muscle to get to 221. That sort of body transformation is incredibly impressive.
-I always hear people say Deshaun is an average or adequate athlete. Wtf are these people talking about? Do they know you don't have to be a jitterbug like Vick or Lamar Jackson to be an incredible athlete? Do they not see the way he glides and moves so effortlessly? The body control? He's not gonna be some scrambler in the NFL, but to say this guy is an average athlete for the QB position is simply false.
-Deshaun has twice played the closest thing to an NFL defense there is in college and was the best person on the field in both games. When was the last time Trubisky played in a game and people thought inarguably he was the best player in the game?
-For some reason people mention Deshaun's system, but there's never the same concerns mentioned about Trubisky. He also plays in a spread system and a much more simplistic one than Deshaun's. It would be one thing if you were comparing Deshaun to a pro style QB, but why isn't this strike mentioned against Trubisky when he plays in a similar system?
I understand that there are concerns about how Deshaun translates to the next level. I myself wonder how he will do and struggle with the number of interceptions he threw so this is in no way shape or form some sort of argument for him to go first overall, but Mitch Trubisky. Really? I know it's a different game and you have to project to the next level, but damn don't overthink it guys. I can't think of a single thing he does better than Deshaun.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:10 am to FootballNostradamus
Two years ago I thought he was gonna be the real deal.
He didnt really live up to my expectations last year though (which seems weird to say since they won the ship)
But yea, idk whats up with the Mitch Trub hype. Even though Im not as high on DW as I was this time last year, I think he is still a good prospect
He didnt really live up to my expectations last year though (which seems weird to say since they won the ship)
But yea, idk whats up with the Mitch Trub hype. Even though Im not as high on DW as I was this time last year, I think he is still a good prospect
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:11 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:Put your dick away
added over forty pounds of rocksolid muscle to get to 221. That sort of body transformation is incredibly impressive.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:11 am to FootballNostradamus
I always thought he was a really good quarterback and great athletic ability.
I guess some people are not very astute with their observations.
I guess some people are not very astute with their observations.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:13 am to FootballNostradamus
He should absolutely be the top QB prospect this year IMO. I also think he's a better prospect than Goff last year.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:17 am to DollaChoppa
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He didnt really live up to my expectations last year though (which seems weird to say since they won the ship)
He threw for 41 TDs, 67% cp and was third in yards in the NCAA.
I think NFL teams are scared of spread "system" QBs and he isn't the physical freak that newton was. I think Watson is going to be a stud
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 10:19 am
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:17 am to FootballNostradamus
From the little I've seen, guys who legitimately watch film say he hasn't shown much improvement in going through his progressions. If that's a skill/instinct or whatever you want to call it that he may lack, and they question his ability to improve it, then that would create an obvious concern with projecting him to the NFL.
I'm saying this solely about Watson, not comparing him to Mitchell. I've seen a few snippets where some of his INTs were him getting baited by some less than complex coverages. Matty Ice threw a lot of pics in college his last year at BC, but circumstances may have been different since he had shite talent around him compared to Watson. This isn't my opinion, just restating what I've seen/heard from watching draft coverage.
I'm saying this solely about Watson, not comparing him to Mitchell. I've seen a few snippets where some of his INTs were him getting baited by some less than complex coverages. Matty Ice threw a lot of pics in college his last year at BC, but circumstances may have been different since he had shite talent around him compared to Watson. This isn't my opinion, just restating what I've seen/heard from watching draft coverage.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:18 am to FootballNostradamus
I agree. There are legitimate concerns with Watson, but I can't understand taking Trubisky (or Kizer) over him.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:18 am to FootballNostradamus
I agree with you. He seems to have everything you'd possibly want at QB right now in the NFL.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:20 am to FootballNostradamus
I think its all about ceilings/potential and hence projections. Watson is a better qb right now and more ready than any. Some argue the others have higher ceilings. Watson is already maxed out. Whether thats true, i don't know but i think that's where it all stems from.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:24 am to Chad504boy
I agree. Rational thought
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:26 am to FootballNostradamus
All the QBs are meh. Watson has spotty accuracy and is not the physical freak Cam was so of course people are going to be iffy on a spread QB.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:30 am to Chad504boy
I get what this gitmys saying though. Watson may not be the greatest qb prospect but he would've started over trubisky if they'd been at the same college so why the hell would an nfl team choose trubisky over him. Hell trubisky couldn't beat out the other guy who started for unc before him his first 2 or 3 years and That guy indomt even think wyd football anymore
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:35 am to FootballNostradamus
I don't really understand it honestly. If I'm a QB needy team I'm taking him with my first pick. What box doesn't he check? Athletic, good arm, performed at the highest level at the highest stage against the best team in CFB. The only knock is he throws a few more picks than some would like, but man, how could a team like the Browns, Niners, Bears, pass on him?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:39 am to FootballNostradamus
First, you must remember that there is always a bunch of misinformation put out for negotiation posturing. The Colts never considered for a second that they'd take Leaf over Manning, but they put out bs that they were debating. It's standard procedure.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:39 am to Brettesaurus Rex
The problem is we hype up some of these scouts as guys who have some supernatural ability at finding talent and in all reality sometimes they make mistakes like everyone else, normally by looking into stuff too much.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:54 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Watson has a good size, good arm strength, GREAT work ethic, GREAT teammate, intelligent, and tons of experience.
But most importantly, he is a gamer. He performs his best on the biggest stages. That is a rare intangible.
Sure, he throws some errant passes and INTs, but this kid is easily my top QB on the board. I think he'll be a pretty good NFL QB for years.
But most importantly, he is a gamer. He performs his best on the biggest stages. That is a rare intangible.
Sure, he throws some errant passes and INTs, but this kid is easily my top QB on the board. I think he'll be a pretty good NFL QB for years.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:55 am to FootballNostradamus
I would vouch for him. He's shredded Bama on the biggest stage the past two years. Bama's D last season was one of the all-time greats, too.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:05 am to FootballNostradamus
It's a question of arm talent and knowledge of the game.
Being a 2nd round QB talent isn't something to sneeze at. Those rated at the top of the draft are guys with IMMENSE arm talent (I wouldn't characterize Watson this way) who generally are more ready to digest NFL systems.
Being a 2nd round QB talent isn't something to sneeze at. Those rated at the top of the draft are guys with IMMENSE arm talent (I wouldn't characterize Watson this way) who generally are more ready to digest NFL systems.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:08 am to FootballNostradamus
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Weaknesses Frame is a little more slender than teams typically like. Accuracy runs hot and cold. Tends to over-stride on drive throws, causing release point to drop and balls to sail. Ball placement on crossing routes and slants needs to improve. Will leave throws behind intended targets. Deep-ball accuracy has been scatter-shot over his last two seasons at Clemson, with throws sailing well beyond his target. Design of offense limited his need to make full-field reads. Has to become adept at working through progressions and playing chess against safeties. Needs to let routes develop rather than rushing anticipatory throws. Too many interceptions due to lack of vision, placement or decision-making. Threw interception vs. Troy against bracketed coverage he didn't see. Baited into bad-decision interceptions twice by Florida State cornerbacks. Has issues improvising away from initial, pre-snap plan even when pathway to target becomes muddy. Shotgun quarterback who, like Jared Goff, could take time getting used to huddling, pace of play-calling and drop-backs from under center.
From his draft profile.
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