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re: Tom Jackson - Romo is a Top 8 QB
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:13 am to lsupride87
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:13 am to lsupride87
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Well crap, I guess Bart Starr and Drew Brees arent clutch. How unclutch of them to get up early in their superbowls and not allow themselves to have a game winning drive
WOW... You just don't get it..........
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And Jim Kelly isnt clutch because after he setup his team for the field goal his kicker misse
What does Jim Kelly have to do with anything.
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Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:15 am to dukke v
quote:It points out how stupid your clutch guidelines are. If vinateri missed both kicks and the Pats lost in overtime, you would be on here telling everyone how unclutch brady is
What does Jim Kelly have to do with anything
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:15 am to hiltacular
quote:Bingo
I just think the clutch thing is stupid. Tom Brady is a better qb than Romo, period. Do we really need to argue something that isn't tangible like "clutchness"? Both have been clutch and both have shite the bed in plenty of circumstances. This entire argument also ignores how the team got to the position where they needed a clutch moment out of there QB.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:16 am to Sevendust912
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and some seem to play better in high pressure situations, like Flacco.
I bolded "seem" because you have an EXTREMELY small sample of games to support this claim.
Additionally, you're being very selective regarding which high pressure systems are considered.
And of course there is last year's playoffs. People like to point to that to "prove" that Flacco is "clutch". Flacco is awarded with "clutch" status because a safety took a bad angle.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:16 am to lsupride87
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It points out how stupid your clutch guidelines are. If vinateri missed both kicks and the Pats lost in overtime, you would be on here telling everyone how unclutch brady is
Justin Tucker kicked a 61yd fg last week, I guess that makes Flacco clutch again
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:16 am to hiltacular
quote:Clutch city baby
Justin Tucker kicked a 61yd fg last week, I guess that makes Flacco clutch again
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:17 am to lsupride87
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It points out how stupid your clutch guidelines are
Ok forget clutch........ There are at least 10 qb's I would take over Romo... Say what you want. All ten of my qbs would have the Cowboys IN the playoffs already.......
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:18 am to dukke v
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Ok forget clutch........ There are at least 10 qb's I would take over Romo... Say what you want. All ten of my qbs would have the Cowboys IN the playoffs already.......
Now this is something we can argue
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:19 am to dukke v
quote:Ok, this is a tangible argument. Who are they? Remember, romo currently has 3800 yards with 31 tds and 10 ints this year. Also remember the cowboys have the worst defense in nfl history
Ok forget clutch........ There are at least 10 qb's I would take over Romo... Say what you want. All ten of my qbs would have the Cowboys IN the playoffs already.......
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:21 am to hiltacular
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What about the times that Brady failed to win a super bowl? Do those anti clutch moments cancel out his clutch moments??
What about Brady's two game ending interceptions this year? Is he suddenly less clutch? But then what about his comebacks? Is he more clutch now?
But what about the 3.75 quarters prior to the comeback in a big game? A big game is a high pressure situation, right? Or is it only high pressure at the end of the game after you played poorly during the first 3.75 quarters?
Or maybe, just maybe, "clutch" is a bullshite concept in a team sport like football (unless you're the kicker, who can be clutch).
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:22 am to hiltacular
Clutch doesn't exist in football. Period. End of story. You can make an argument that it doesn't exist in any team sports.
That being said, if i had to win a game tomorrow, there are only a handful of QBs I'd take above a healthy Romo without a doubt:
Manning
Breeze
Brady
Rodgers
Rivers
That's it. Are there are plenty of QBs who have an argument - Luck, Newton, Flacco, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Eli, Ryan, Stafford,and Dalton- but those five are the only ones I'm taking for sure.
That being said, if i had to win a game tomorrow, there are only a handful of QBs I'd take above a healthy Romo without a doubt:
Manning
Breeze
Brady
Rodgers
Rivers
That's it. Are there are plenty of QBs who have an argument - Luck, Newton, Flacco, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Eli, Ryan, Stafford,and Dalton- but those five are the only ones I'm taking for sure.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:22 am to dukke v
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And ROMO doesn't do this... Are you really that blind???
Didn't he just do that on Sunday, with a fricked up back?
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:25 am to lsupride87
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Remember, romo currently has 3800 yards with 31 tds and 10 ints this year. Also remember the cowboys have the worst defense in nfl history
You could argue that some of his yardage is a result of his team's having to play from behind because of its terrible defense. But that's getting into the weeds.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:27 am to dukke v
Just seems every time Romo loses a playoff game or doesn't make the playoffs people defend him with excuses. Defense, injuries, coaching, weather, Jerrah, etc.
It's actually a lot of fun to watch
What's his passer rating the first 3 quarters all time compared to others in the league? I can be arbitrary too.
There is a thing some athletes possess that is intangible and it's obvious with a lot of the great ones, even ones that didn't win it all. Archie had it, but was stuck in a shitty org. Stats and wins only tell half of the story.
Romo is a stat padding good QB, but will never be elite and will never win it all. No one could rightfully say he sucks, but saying he isn't ever going to be great is completely valid and I think accurate.
Also, it's not like Romo is throwing to scrubs. He's surrounded in incredible offensive talent.
It's actually a lot of fun to watch
What's his passer rating the first 3 quarters all time compared to others in the league? I can be arbitrary too.
There is a thing some athletes possess that is intangible and it's obvious with a lot of the great ones, even ones that didn't win it all. Archie had it, but was stuck in a shitty org. Stats and wins only tell half of the story.
Romo is a stat padding good QB, but will never be elite and will never win it all. No one could rightfully say he sucks, but saying he isn't ever going to be great is completely valid and I think accurate.
Also, it's not like Romo is throwing to scrubs. He's surrounded in incredible offensive talent.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:32 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:Stat padding? Pretty much every cowboys game is decided by one score. Not sure when he has time to stay pad. And if Trent dilfer can win it all, romo has it in him as well. Unless maybe dilfer possess that magical awesome potion that Tony doesn't have
Romo is a stat padding good QB, but will never be elite and will never win it all. No one could rightfully say he sucks, but saying he isn't ever going to be great is completely valid and I think accurate.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:34 am to lsupride87
Unless the Cowboys find Ed Reed and Ray Lewis clones, Romo isn't pulling a dilfer.
Of course Romo > Dilfer.
Of course Romo > Dilfer.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:34 am to jg8623
I agree.
Too bad there's a massive drop off after the Top 3 or Top 4 QBs in the league.
Too bad there's a massive drop off after the Top 3 or Top 4 QBs in the league.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:37 am to TheCaterpillar
I think Romo thinks about his struggles in late games. This cause him to freeze up and shite the bed
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:37 am to RollTide1987
Romo just doesn't have "it".
I know stat nerds will never understand that so why bother.
There are QBs that have won it all that didn't have "it" and there are ones that didn't it all and did possess "it".
For example, I think it's very obvious Russell Wilson is a born winner.
I know stat nerds will never understand that so why bother.
There are QBs that have won it all that didn't have "it" and there are ones that didn't it all and did possess "it".
For example, I think it's very obvious Russell Wilson is a born winner.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:38 am to Wild Thang
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Brady
Manning
Rogers
Brees
Eli, Ben, Romo, Ryan, Rivers(bounce back year), Flaco, Luck are all in the next group.
How can Peyton be head of Eli? Eli has two Super Bowl rings, which clearly makes him the better QB. In fact, Eli is one of the best in the history of the NFL and tied for the 9th best ever in the history of the game
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