re: The NFL has upheld Tom Brady's 4 game suspension

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Well, we will disagree on that point.

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You disagree that this all could have been avoided if Brady released the requested info regarding his side of the investigation?

They never asked to look through his phone. shite all he had to do was give them his conversations between him and the ball boys.

You can't compare this between a regular joe and Tom Brady.. No one cares what some nobody has on their phone

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You disagree that this all could have been avoided if Brady released the requested info regarding his side of the investigation?

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You do know that texts go both ways, don't you? Every text that Brady had sent to those ball boys was in possession of Wells and the NFL.

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Not sure when they started deflating, but the team went from 12 fumbles

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A couple of authors have tried very hard to make this case but they seem to have done so out of malice or stupidity. When you ask a statistician to look at the numbers they conclude the fumble nonsense is indeed nonsense:

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given the Patriot's track record, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if Brady had incriminating evidence of other transgressions he didn't want the NFL to know about on his phone. Regardless, Brady could have avoided all of this if the Patriots weren't habitual violators involving stuff like this and he had been cooperative in an investigation where his job was on the line. He really has no one to blame but himself. he cheated and got caught. He now looks like an even bigger a-hole to most people

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so if your employer came in and said they caught you doing something and you are suspended for a month without pay and on probation for a year, and your cell phone had the only thing that could prove you innocent you wouldnt provide them the phone? And instead would destroy it?


That situation would never occur, and if it did I work in an at-will state so it wouldn't matter.

Show me where, in the CBA, the NFL thinks it can access private party devices of it's players in it's investigations, and that not giving them said information is a 4 game suspension.

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so dance around the question

To answer your question, I would quit. A company that demands my personal property to get rid of some weird psuedo suspension thing wouldn't be worth working for.

Only reason they probably wanted the phone was the proof that it came from Tom Brady. They had the conversation from the boys phone and had his number, but they could not prove Tom actually sent the message or if it was someone from his phone. That is what they wanted proof on, if Tom knew and he didn't want to show his phone.

He has every right to destroy his phone. But for fricks sakes stop acting like it doesn't make him look guilty, it's getting kind of pathetic.

This whole thing has been fricking ridiculous,thought this shite would have died down by now.

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prove you innocent

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1) you shouldn't have to be proven innocent, your employer should treat you more fairly than that
2) there was no information on his phone related to the texts that they did no already have - they had in their possession the phones that received the texts.

The NFL has been determined to win at all costs in this case. They want to better establish their authority to do pretty much whatever they please to discourage other players from challenging their authority.

Peronally I hope this goes to court and the NFL ends up losing and then junking almost all of their "new" disciplinary approach. From the bountygate to Ray Rice to deflategate every incident gets its own set of rules and is dealt with inconsistently. If they went back to a standard of punishment that required a criminal conviction for off the field behavior and a truly independent investigator for issues on the field they could consider themselves reasonable arbiters of discipline. What they have now is nonsensical.