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The impact of football on college and universities
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:25 pm
We all know that football has a huge impact on colleges and universities, some more than others. With all the money pouring in to the big boys from so many different avenues, I can't help but think that some schools probably wish they had started playing sooner or never dropped the level of competition. Some will argue that Ivy League schools give 0 fricks, but look at Stanford and Duke. I think schools like Chicago would have benefited greatly from keeping D1 football and being in the B1G.
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Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:27 pm to MontyFranklyn
There's not that many athletic departments in the nation that make a profit.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:32 pm to MontyFranklyn
Some places define themselves by not having sports...
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:33 pm to CaptainPanic
quote:Like I said, some. Some schools like Chicago could have attached themselves to the B1G and brought in tons of money. Also, athletic departments lose money because of title IX, not football.
There's not that many athletic departments in the nation that make a profit.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:37 pm to MontyFranklyn
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I think schools like Chicago would have benefited greatly from keeping D1 football and being in the B1G
The Univ. of Chicago can count 89 Nobel Laureates. They wouldn't trade one of them for a national championship in football.
Considering they have a $7.55 billion endowment, football money isn't particularly on their radar either.
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:39 pm to MikeyFL
quote:You can have both you know. Stanford has some of the richest alums in America. Although people associate Phil Knight with Oregon, he also went to Stanford
The Univ. of Chicago can count 89 Nobel Laureates. They wouldn't trade one of them for a national championship in football.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:42 pm to MikeyFL
quote:And Stanford's is $21.4 billion
Considering they have a $7.55 billion endowment, football money isn't particularly on their radar either.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:49 pm to MontyFranklyn
Some schools exist for very little academic reasons but football...see OP.
Just like as Oklahoma President said famously 50 years ago..."we hope to create a University the football team can be proud of."
Nothing new under the sun...there are some fantastic universities Top 25 US News and World Report Universities that are also good to otherwordly at football...like Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Michigan, Notre Dame.
People like to hate on USC or Notre Dame or Michigan but it's amazing what they pull off...on the field and off.
And that's why they get the hate...the ability to be excellent at sports and first class universities that students attend regardless of football.
Just like as Oklahoma President said famously 50 years ago..."we hope to create a University the football team can be proud of."
Nothing new under the sun...there are some fantastic universities Top 25 US News and World Report Universities that are also good to otherwordly at football...like Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Michigan, Notre Dame.
People like to hate on USC or Notre Dame or Michigan but it's amazing what they pull off...on the field and off.
And that's why they get the hate...the ability to be excellent at sports and first class universities that students attend regardless of football.
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:49 pm to MontyFranklyn
that is tech money, not football money. i'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. Northwestern had that no sports is good attitude for quite awhile until they woke up. Tulane was dumb enough to move sports to the back burners in the 60s and it has not served them well. A place like Chicago, celebrates its nerd culture like no other school I have seen. I don't think sports will ever come back there
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:50 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Some will argue that Ivy League schools give 0 fricks
They give zero fricks about national standing, but Harvard-Yale is every bit as fierce a rivalry as the Iron Bowl or Georgia-Florida. You can say the
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:51 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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People like to hate on USC or Notre Dame or Michigan but it's amazing what they pull off...on the field and off.
Why?
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:54 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Not really. Football players aren't really held to the same academic standards as regular students. They also have way more resources to help them succeed academically than other students as well.
People like to hate on USC or Notre Dame or Michigan but it's amazing what they pull off...on the field and off.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:55 pm to MontyFranklyn
it is harder to get a football player into Northwestern or Notre Dame or Stanford than Ole Miss or Alabama. that is a fact. they undoubtedly lower their standards considerably, but its more difficult
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:58 pm to BookahBear
quote:I don't know where the money comes from, but I do know that Stanford is a bigger, better brand than Chicago and is ranked higher academically as well. I know that they don't have the same strong points academically either, but you can't argue that Stanford isn't a better school and playing major sports has something to do with it.
that is tech money, not football money. i'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. Northwestern had that no sports is good attitude for quite awhile until they woke up. Tulane was dumb enough to move sports to the back burners in the 60s and it has not served them well. A place like Chicago, celebrates its nerd culture like no other school I have seen. I don't think sports will ever come back there
Posted on 1/31/16 at 8:59 pm to BookahBear
quote:No doubt, they have to hold some academic integrity
it is harder to get a football player into Northwestern or Notre Dame or Stanford than Ole Miss or Alabama. that is a fact. they undoubtedly lower their standards considerably, but its more difficult
Posted on 1/31/16 at 9:01 pm to MontyFranklyn
they are both great schools and no, if Stanford is considered a better school right now, I don't think it has to do with sports. I think it has to do with Silicon Valley and their Engineering and Computer Science programs, which are key cogs to the economy. if you ask someone which school is better for Classics or something like that, you'll probably get Chicago. I really don't think their recent success in basketball and football has anything to do with it. a school like Duke, on the other hand, I think basketball helped them significantly
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 10:18 pm to BookahBear
an undergrad education at lsu, bama, ole miss, or any other public sec school is just as good as one from berkeley, michigan, or uva. an undergrad education from vandy, tcu, or tulane is just as good as one from harvard, stanford, or chicago.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 10:34 pm to MontyFranklyn
The administrators and professors involved with higher education don't view Stanford and Chicago the way you do. They are peer universities in every sense of the word.
As others have mentioned, Stanford's perceived edge is due to its proximity to Silicon Valley and its ridiculously large endowment. Its football team could go to Division 3 tomorrow, and most of the researchers that bolster Stanford's reputation wouldn't blink an eye. None of the university's graduate students would care either.
As others have mentioned, Stanford's perceived edge is due to its proximity to Silicon Valley and its ridiculously large endowment. Its football team could go to Division 3 tomorrow, and most of the researchers that bolster Stanford's reputation wouldn't blink an eye. None of the university's graduate students would care either.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 10:40 pm to Switzerland
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an undergrad education at lsu, bama, ole miss, or any other public sec school is just as good as one from berkeley, michigan, or uva. an undergrad education from vandy, tcu, or tulane is just as good as one from harvard, stanford, or chicago.
In some cases, this might be true. If a student's purpose is to make influential alumni contacts, get into a prestigious graduate program, or gain access to highly-prized internships in New York, DC, Boston, or Silicon Valley, being an undergraduate at Berkeley, Michigan, or Virginia can pay dividends.
One thing everyone should realize: When universities assess their peer institutions, the quality of undergraduate education is completely inconsequential. It is all about research and the perceived quality of graduate programs.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 10:48 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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People like to hate on USC or Notre Dame or Michigan but it's amazing what they pull off...on the field and off.
Don't kid yourself they find loopholes and "financially encourage" players just like everyone else.
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