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re: The ATL Thread Offseason Edition: Braves acquire Brandon Phillips
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:44 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:44 am to Lester Earl
I wouldn't say Folty failed. He had his moments last year and was top 10 in starting pitcher fastball velocity. I agree that Wisler and Blair both struggled. I think both of them suck and will suck in the future. The Braves biggest issue in the minors is middle of the order hitters.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 2:50 pm
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:59 am to rebel of fortune
I agree. He had some very promising starts last season.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:30 pm to RollDatRoll
I think I can come up with a package that's close, but it's painful.
I think Acuna/Newcomb/one of Allard/Anderson/Toussaint/Wisler or Blair gets close.
It's painful. I think I'd start talking about Sale and try to end up with Jose Quintana instead.
I'd also look into trading for Austin Barnes if possible.
I think Acuna/Newcomb/one of Allard/Anderson/Toussaint/Wisler or Blair gets close.
It's painful. I think I'd start talking about Sale and try to end up with Jose Quintana instead.
I'd also look into trading for Austin Barnes if possible.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:57 pm to rebel of fortune
Yea, Folty wasnt terrible, the other 3-4 young guys were. I was just lumping them together since the majority was bad.
Still think we're looking at a bottom 3 NL team again next year.
yup, which is why im so curious as to why people think this is going to get turned around quickly. You're looking at 3-4 more years of rebuild here
Still think we're looking at a bottom 3 NL team again next year.
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The Braves biggest issue in the minors is middle of the order hitters.
yup, which is why im so curious as to why people think this is going to get turned around quickly. You're looking at 3-4 more years of rebuild here
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:59 pm to Lester Earl
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I just don't see it man. The young pitchers brought up last year all failed.
Only guy who was touted as a real prospect who failed was Blair. The pitching that is touted is all in the lower minors. Allard, Fried, Newcomb, Anderson, Touki, Soroka were all very strong especially in the 2nd half.
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Many of the hitters people are touting were just ok in the minors.
Swanson was very solid across 3 levels including the big leagues, Albies won the Southern League batting crown as a 19 y/o, Acuna put up very solid numbers although he was injured and Maitan did not debut until instructs. Those are the clear cut top 4 position prospects. Who was just ok of these guys?
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:06 pm to Lester Earl
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wouldnt be enough anyway
I don't think Braves could get it done then. That is their clear cut two top prospects imo (Acuna and Albies) plus a guy who was a top 20 prospect in the game as of mid season (Newcomb) and the #3 pick in the draft.
I don't think many teams are beating that. Depends on how you value Acuna but I don't think Chicago is going to get 2 better position players than Acuna and Albies plus 2 top 100 pitchers as a throw in from anybody.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:11 pm to volfan30
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Only guy who was touted as a real prospect who failed was Blair. The pitching that is touted is all in the lower minors. Allard, Fried, Newcomb, Anderson, Touki, Soroka were all very strong especially in the 2nd half.
Wisler was the corner stone of the Kimbrel trade
Jeknins was a top 15 prospect & is the same age as Newcomb
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Swanson was very solid across 3 levels including the big leagues, Albies won the Southern League batting crown as a 19 y/o, Acuna put up very solid numbers although he was injured and Maitan did not debut until instructs. Those are the clear cut top 4 position prospects. Who was just ok of these guys?
Im reading, "solid", "very solid", "didnt' debut". These are your words for what you are calling your 4 best offensive players.
Decent pieces on paper. But you know nothing about Acuna & Maitain, for they havent played much. Albies will be a nice SS or 2B, but hardly what i would call a cornerstone franchise player. Same can be said for Swanson. Not terrible, not ideal though. Just ok to me. Or "solid".
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:18 pm to SECFan1995
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I think Acuna/Newcomb/one of Allard/Anderson/Toussaint/Wisler or Blair gets close.
Not even close. We have one top 20 prospect in Albies. He will have to be in there. Besides Maitan, Acuna is our top hitting prospect, and can be one of the best prospects in baseball. He has to be in there. You'll have to add one of our top young starters(Allard/Anderson/Soroka). After that, they are going to want more. Throw ins like Wisler, Blair, and Toussaint arent going to cut it.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:22 pm to devils1854
they will need accomplished minor league hitters that project to be future all stars. ATL just doesnt have that.
Consider the Sox wanted Joey Gallo & either Mazara or Profar from the Rangers(ie guys that were good enough to break into the MLB at 19 & 21yr respectively), plus additional prospects from their rich system. The Braves simply can not afford Sale. if they would even want to, which i doubt.
Consider the Sox wanted Joey Gallo & either Mazara or Profar from the Rangers(ie guys that were good enough to break into the MLB at 19 & 21yr respectively), plus additional prospects from their rich system. The Braves simply can not afford Sale. if they would even want to, which i doubt.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:25 pm to devils1854
Reporters in Minnesota say that we are in on Brian Dozier as well.
He would cost less since he is on a 2 year deal, but you're still probably looking at two top 100 guys, and another top 20 organization prospect.
He would cost less since he is on a 2 year deal, but you're still probably looking at two top 100 guys, and another top 20 organization prospect.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:32 pm to devils1854
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Brian Dozier
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2 year deal
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:37 pm to devils1854
Bowman suggests White Sox want Inciarte, Albies, 2 or 3 of Newcomb, Allard, Anderson, Touki, Soroka, and Fried and then Wisler or Blair
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:56 pm to volfan30
I want one of Dozier or Sale but not both. I don't want to deplete our farm system after just taking the time to build it back up.
Dozier would be a great pickup.
Dozier would be a great pickup.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:57 pm to volfan30
that would make the Tex trade look good 
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:57 pm to volfan30
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White Sox want Inciarte, Albies, 2 or 3 of Newcomb, Allard, Anderson, Touki, Soroka, and Fried and then Wisler or Blair
That is a LOT to give up for 3 years of one guy.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:15 pm to ScarletFire
We are also in on Gray
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:16 pm to ScarletFire
I don't even want to trade for sale. We need to keep thinking long term. Build through the draft and free agency. Only make trades to strengthen minor league system and dump salary.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:25 pm to devils1854
Acuna is a future top 10-20 prospect and Toussaint isn't exactly a throw in. Wisler and Blair, yes but Toussaint isn't.
I guess I should put it this way, 1 to 2 prospects that are top 10-20, 1 prospect that is top 50, and a young major leaguer that has shown promise...wait nevermind neither Wisler nor Blair have.
Like I said, the best way to go it is to start higher but end up walking away with Quintana or Gray. But if they do end up walking away with a pitcher, the Dickey signing immediately makes no sense unless one of Folty/Wisler/Blair is in the deal.
I guess I should put it this way, 1 to 2 prospects that are top 10-20, 1 prospect that is top 50, and a young major leaguer that has shown promise...wait nevermind neither Wisler nor Blair have.
Like I said, the best way to go it is to start higher but end up walking away with Quintana or Gray. But if they do end up walking away with a pitcher, the Dickey signing immediately makes no sense unless one of Folty/Wisler/Blair is in the deal.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 4:28 pm to Undertow
The Braves minor league system is kind of overrated in the hitting department but you can't compare the hitters that are in the system to other hitters in other systems because most of the parks and leagues are power sucks in their minor leagues.
If Albies didn't break his thumb he was going to be one of the top 10 prospects in the game (and may still be). That said he's off the table...or should be.
If Albies didn't break his thumb he was going to be one of the top 10 prospects in the game (and may still be). That said he's off the table...or should be.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 5:37 pm to volfan30
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Depends on how you value Acuna but I don't think Chicago is going to get 2 better position players than Acuna and Albies plus 2 top 100 pitchers as a throw in from anybody.
when they trade him, they will. Red Sox, Dodgers, Rangers, Nationals, and Cardinals all have better pieces
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