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Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:12 pm to F machine
He has a better career? What are you judging that on?
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:13 pm to Tiger1242
Who did Brady have the season he tossed 50 TDs?
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:14 pm to DelU249
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Right now I have Bree's and Brady deadlocked with manning slightly behind.
I love Brees, but Brees ahead of Manning is laughable
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:15 pm to Tigercoop40
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Brady is doing it with a lot of no name WR's. Only one that was a great name was Randy Moss, and they lost that Super Bowl. Both of the Super Bowls lost by the Patriots were not on Brady as much as other people. Brady last year had arguably a very good game.
I still say the 07 Patriots would beat the 11 Giants and that the 11 Patriots beat the 07 Giants
Of course the 07 Pats beat the 07 Giants if the Giants dont get one less miracle that they did. Or if we dont decide to put Ellis "The Hobbit" Hobbs over Plax
But i digress
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:16 pm to DelU249
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Who did Brady have the season he tossed 50 TDs?
Laurence Marroney
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:17 pm to DelU249
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He has a better career? What are you judging that on?
3 Super Bowl Rings =/= 1 Super Bowl Ring
That is the pinnacle of the sport.
Brady also has received 2 NFL MVPs.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:18 pm to FOAK
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41.5 sacks over 17 seasons is less than 3 per season. 32 interceptions over 17 seasons, is less than 2 per season.
Okay. Fine. He sucks.
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:20 pm to FOAK
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Stupid that people think Ray Lewis is the best LB.
Not as stupid as those who think he isn't top 3.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:20 pm to 1ranter1
If that's the case then Brady > Brees is laughable. Going by numbers, Manning has played more seasons than drew and he didn't have to go to a 3-13 in the middle of his career.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:21 pm to Tigercoop40
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3 Super Bowl Rings =/= 1 Super Bowl Ring
It's a team accomplishment. Marino > Montana
Montana just played on some incredibly loaded teams. That's not to say Montana was not excellent...he was
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:25 pm to DelU249
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Generally the numbers say Brees > Brady
Brady has more TDs
Brady has Less INTs
Higher Career QB Rating
Brees has 1k more passing yards and a slightly higher completion percentage
Theyve both played 11 seasons (taking out Bradys injury year and both of their rookie years)
So how exactly do the numbers say Brees >Brady?
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:39 pm to wildtigercat93
Brady has played seven more games an has thrown 10 more TDs
Brady has a slight edge in YPA, it's really close
Brees has a better completion percentage
Brady has the higher QBR by 2 points which is a product of drew turning the ball over more. You took one statistical edge for Brady and doubled it
Brees has more yards
Brady has played with better skill players and really didnt take the leap until he got moss, welker and stallworth in the 2007 season
you see why I have them deadlocked. It's exhausting, we can do this all night. I won't say one is better than the other until it has all played out.
I do think they are both better than manning who has always played with awesome talent. Brady had success with antwain smith, Troy brown and David givens. Drew has gotten it done without 1 elite receiver but he has had 2 elite TE's but he's had both in their first 2 years of playing football.
shite is crazy. I'm tapping out. I think I make a solid case.
Brady has a slight edge in YPA, it's really close
Brees has a better completion percentage
Brady has the higher QBR by 2 points which is a product of drew turning the ball over more. You took one statistical edge for Brady and doubled it
Brees has more yards
Brady has played with better skill players and really didnt take the leap until he got moss, welker and stallworth in the 2007 season
you see why I have them deadlocked. It's exhausting, we can do this all night. I won't say one is better than the other until it has all played out. I do think they are both better than manning who has always played with awesome talent. Brady had success with antwain smith, Troy brown and David givens. Drew has gotten it done without 1 elite receiver but he has had 2 elite TE's but he's had both in their first 2 years of playing football.
shite is crazy. I'm tapping out. I think I make a solid case.
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:41 pm to DelU249
I wasnt trying to argue your original point, just that the stats dont really say Brees > Brady
If anything they say theyre pretty damn similar stats wise
If anything they say theyre pretty damn similar stats wise
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:42 pm to DelU249
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He has a better career? What are you judging that on?
Yards
Brees: 45,919
Brady: 44,806
So close that this is almost a wash.
TDS
Brees: 324
Brady: 334
Pretty much a wash also since it's so close. Brady throws a td 5.6% and Brees is 5.3%. Pretty close.
Completion Percentage
Brady: 63.7
Brees: 65.6
2 percentage points in a career is a pretty big deal, so that's Brees.
Career Rating
Brady: 96.4
Brees: 94.3
Again, in a career 2 points can be a big deal, so that goes to Brady.
Int-
Brady:123
Brees: 165
Brady by a wide margin. Not to mention Brady's int % is 2.1% and Brees is 2.7%. Not a huge difference but its something.
I see, as you said, that they are pretty close in most things. Brady does seem to have a slight edge in those things though. Now I don't think SB wins are the end all be all in judging a qb, but in a case like this it can mean something. Brady is consistently in the playoffs and has won 3 SBs. Since they are so close statistically, I think the career wins and playoff wins and all of that gives Brady the edge.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:48 pm to F machine
Drew actually has the higher TD% drew throws 1.9 TDs a game. Brady throws 1.8
I dot give anyone an edge in SBs. Drew could win another and it flips te conversation. Brady won 3 Super Bowls playing able average QB with awesome defenses and an awesome coaching staff. Those were complete teams.
If you have to use that as a tie breaker than brees>Brady isn't as people seem to think
We're already breaking down the stats so QBR is irrelevant.
I dot give anyone an edge in SBs. Drew could win another and it flips te conversation. Brady won 3 Super Bowls playing able average QB with awesome defenses and an awesome coaching staff. Those were complete teams.
If you have to use that as a tie breaker than brees>Brady isn't
as people seem to think We're already breaking down the stats so QBR is irrelevant.
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:52 pm to DelU249
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Drew actually has the higher TD% drew throws 1.9 TDs a game. Brady throws 1.8
Well, actually Brady's is higher if you are going by attempts, which might be a fairer way to judge it in IMO. At least at this stage in their careers since Drew has more attempts than Brady.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:52 pm to DelU249
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I dot give anyone an edge in SBs. Drew could win another and it flips te conversation. Brady won 3 Super Bowls playing able average QB with awesome defenses and an awesome coaching staff. Those were complete teams.
When talking about GOAT, you have to include their legacy, whether it fits your arguement or not
You cant just throw out 9 AFC East Championships, 7 AFC Championship game appearances, 5 AFC Championships, and 3 SB rings.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:54 pm to wildtigercat93
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When talking about GOAT, you have to include their legacy, whether it fits your arguement or not
You cant just throw out 9 AFC East Championships, 7 AFC Championship game appearances, 5 AFC Championships, and 3 SB rings.
I agree, especially considering their stats are so close. I realize these are team stats, but he was a part of those teams and a big reason they went to and/or won a lot of those games.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 4:55 pm to DelU249
The play to cap off Brees Super Bowl was Porters INT for a TD.
Many factors went into that game that weren't Brees
Many factors went into that game that weren't Brees
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