- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Sports conspiracy theories that you believe could be true
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:03 pm to alajones
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:03 pm to alajones
quote:
Isn't there more to this story? What I've heard was that Liston trained hard core for th erematch but then it was postponed and he let himself get out of shape by the time it finally came around.
Nic Toches book The Devil and Sonny Liston really gets into detail, but yeah. Liston was not a dedicated trainer and probably saw the writing on the wall. He took a dive on the phantom punch to collect his check and get the hell out of Dodge. Legend has it that in that famous photo of Ali standing over him, he's yelling "Get up! No one will believe this!"
0
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:04 pm to TreyAnastasio
Not a "holy shite" type of conspiracy, but im convinced Gene Smith knew all about tat-gate and asked Tressel to take 100% of the blame.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:07 pm to LSUJuice
quote:
Any ref theory is absurd IMO. The margin for error on lots of these calls is so slim, and then they're magnified these days (almost literally) with HD cameras and TVs. Incompetence is 99.99 percent more likely than a conspirace. Plus, every fanbase is convince the refs are against their team, because of this game and that game. It's a point-of-view thing in which people are automatically biased. I dony buy any of this "SEC wants Alabama" nonsense.
The PP int call in 09? Wrong, of course. But conspiracy? Come on.
Auburn - LSU 06? Yeah a terribly officiated game. But again, incompetence not conspiracy.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. I agree. There are very few exceptions...
The 72 Olympic game had FIBA officials coming out of the crowd to overrule the refs.
I do think the SEC office favors Alabama in their administrative decisions (hence Bama getting yet another year dodging USC, UGA, and UF).
And I do think refs unconsciously make bad calls which favor their employers. It's not really a conspiracy, but it happens all the time. Look at Texas getting time back on the clock versus Nebraska. Unconscious bias helps teams like that. Or Nebraska on the kick ball.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:08 pm to taylork37
quote:
Not a "holy shite" type of conspiracy, but im convinced Gene Smith knew all about tat-gate and asked Tressel to take 100% of the blame.
I agree, and how fricking retarded was that. Gene Smith is totally replaceable. Tres is Tress.
Another thing that I thought was odd with that strategy. Wouldnt the AD not knowing about it, be the definition of Lack Of Institutional Control?
This post was edited on 10/25/12 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:10 pm to LSUJuice
quote:
Any ref theory is absurd IMO.
tim donaghy
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:12 pm to taylork37
Well said. I forget the details, but I think there is no trail of Tressel forwarding the emails to others. BUT, I have always maintained he printed those puppies and walked over Gene and others' offices to discuss how they would handle it in the future. I assume he is in a building crawling with compliance people. I think too highly of Tressel to believe he buried those emails. When everything broke, OSU didn't really deny anything, and Tressel immediately apologized. Not much was said about investigating. It's like they rolled out the plan right away.
This post was edited on 10/25/12 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:20 pm to TreyAnastasio
quote:
I agree, and how fricking retarded was that. Gene Smith is totally replaceable. Tres is Tress.
Yep.
quote:
Another thing that I thought was odd with that strategy. Wouldnt the AD not knowing about it, be the definition of Lack Of Institutional Control?
By definition yes, but LoIC comes with the worst punishment you can get, so bundling every violation that is true to that definition wouldn't make sense. I (obviously) don't think what happened was worthy of the Death Penalty that comes with LoIC. I'm sure many here disagree.
This post was edited on 10/25/12 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
tim donaghy
Now I know that you know that one outlier does not prove or even represent what happens the vast majority of the time. Of course, you could say to me that this one event was caught so how many others out there were not caught. My counter to that is, the fact that he was caught speaks volumes. That it's really really difficult to do without getting caught. Remember, if we think these gues are incompetent in their jobs in the first place, do you think they could competently pull off a fix? No way. If they do it, they get caught. There's too many media-types sniffing around who would love to make a name for themselves by breaking a big story like that. Even in the state of Alabama, if UA or AU were cheating, one would LOVE to rat on the other.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:23 pm to Baloo
Kevin Costner fricked Ripkins wife??? I've never heard that.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:25 pm to LSUJuice
quote:
Remember, if we think these gues are incompetent in their jobs in the first place, do you think they could competently pull off a fix?
I do. The missed called in a game are so numerous, that it is rather difficult to sort out which are actually missed and which ones may be intentional.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:45 pm to LSUJuice
quote:
Any ref theory is absurd IMO. The margin for error on lots of these calls is so slim, and then they're magnified these days (almost literally) with HD cameras and TVs. Incompetence is 99.99 percent more likely than a conspirace. Plus, every fanbase is convince the refs are against their team, because of this game and that game. It's a point-of-view thing in which people are automatically biased. I dony buy any of this "SEC wants Alabama" nonsense.
The PP int call in 09? Wrong, of course. But conspiracy? Come on.
Auburn - LSU 06? Yeah a terribly officiated game. But again, incompetence not conspiracy.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:48 pm to LSUJuice
Not so much as blatant cheating by the refs, but rather I think they are told by the commish that close calls should favor the highly ranked team. That would be almost impossible to catch a ref on, as they are judgement calls in the first place. Obviously, stuff like points being removed or time being added (unless you're Texas) isn't happening, but there have been a lot of questionable close calls in the last 5 years or so.
And a school wouldn't even have to be involved. It all comes back to protecting the leagues interest, and right now a team making the championship game is incredibly lucrative for everyone involved. JMO.
And a school wouldn't even have to be involved. It all comes back to protecting the leagues interest, and right now a team making the championship game is incredibly lucrative for everyone involved. JMO.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:49 pm to BOSCEAUX
quote:
Kevin Costner fricked Ripkins wife??? I've never heard that.
no. but its a popular rumor and its not worth the effort to debunk. I was granting the point for the sake of argument to show that even if true... it was still a stupid theory.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:50 pm to LSUJuice
So 11 straight games with no holding penalties?
Posted on 10/25/12 at 3:50 pm to LSUJuice
quote:
Now I know that you know that one outlier does not prove or even represent what happens the vast majority of the time.
no, but it proves a group of people can influence games over a long period of time and keep quiet about it. this is the one main argument against most conspiracy theories
quote:
My counter to that is, the fact that he was caught speaks volumes
he was caught due to shite having NOTHING to do with the NBA, though.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 4:03 pm to alajones
quote:
So 11 straight games with no holding penalties?
Good coaching
Posted on 10/25/12 at 5:00 pm to TreyAnastasio
It's hard for me to tell if you typed that with a straight face or not.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 5:26 pm to TreyAnastasio
quote:
Good coaching
We all know ALL teams do it, don't even try that bullshite..
Posted on 10/25/12 at 5:32 pm to TXGunslinger10
quote:
But lets face it...FIFA is more in the "world economy boost" business than they are in the Soccer business.
FIFA is more in the "they have nobody to answer to so they can do whatever the hell they want" business.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 5:34 pm to alajones
Well, ya know, good coaching, and player self discipline.
Page 9 of 10
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News