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Sorry for another Cam thread, but...
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:39 pm
Given his relative success in his first two NFL starts which have somewhat quieted his critics, I have a question for those who thought that he would suck, etc in the NFL:
If Newton had never left Florida, went on to start there for two years to go along with winning the BCS championship and Heisman last year, would you have been as vocal in declaring your opinions that he would suck? Would you still have questioned his mental makeup?
If Newton had never left Florida, went on to start there for two years to go along with winning the BCS championship and Heisman last year, would you have been as vocal in declaring your opinions that he would suck? Would you still have questioned his mental makeup?
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Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:40 pm to Sophandros
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If Newton had never left Florida, went on to start there for two years to go along with winning the BCS championship and Heisman last year, would you have been as vocal in declaring your opinions that he would suck?
yup
i was as vocal for newton as i was for tebow, for similar reasons (i thought newton had a better shot though)
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:41 pm to Sophandros
If a criminal didn't commit the crime, would he still then be a criminal?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:48 pm to Sophandros
I questioned if Newton would translate just simply because of the offense he played in at Auburn.
I have doubts about any QB coming from a spread system. Some guys can adjust some guys can't.
Edit: So yes if he stayed at Florida in Urbans gimmick spread option deal I would have questioned if he would translate well to the NFL.
I have doubts about any QB coming from a spread system. Some guys can adjust some guys can't.
Edit: So yes if he stayed at Florida in Urbans gimmick spread option deal I would have questioned if he would translate well to the NFL.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:02 pm to Sophandros
i always liked Newton. i was shocked when Saints fans were giggling "hehe i hope the Panthers take Newton".
Like i said then, if he pans out , we are in trouble.
if they take someone else and that player pans out(Dareus, Peterson, AJ Green...whomever) it wont be nearly as bad news for the Saints than if Newton became great.
Still dont understand why they wanted them to draft him.
AS far as this question, I'd probably look at him the same. I actualy give him more props for taking Auburn to new heights with average talent around him all around.
Like i said then, if he pans out , we are in trouble.
if they take someone else and that player pans out(Dareus, Peterson, AJ Green...whomever) it wont be nearly as bad news for the Saints than if Newton became great.
Still dont understand why they wanted them to draft him.
AS far as this question, I'd probably look at him the same. I actualy give him more props for taking Auburn to new heights with average talent around him all around.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:03 pm to Sophandros
Cam is quickly proving to be the finest example of my hair-brained theory that coaching, systems, etc. matter a whole lot less than talent + dedication. 
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:04 pm to 225rumpshaker
How would staying at Florida under Urban have helped the perception of his transition to the NFL?
Sure didn't help Tebow. Maybe people would have liked Cam more if he didn't appear like a mercenary but liking someone doesn't mean you think they can make a good NFL QB...ala Tebow.
And lets not get carried away. VY had a pretty good rookie start. His running won't matter but it sure gets everyone all crazy in their mind.
Can he consistently pass for 400 yards and not throw picks...if yes, then he'll be a success.
Sure didn't help Tebow. Maybe people would have liked Cam more if he didn't appear like a mercenary but liking someone doesn't mean you think they can make a good NFL QB...ala Tebow.
And lets not get carried away. VY had a pretty good rookie start. His running won't matter but it sure gets everyone all crazy in their mind.
Can he consistently pass for 400 yards and not throw picks...if yes, then he'll be a success.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:14 pm to Sophandros
Can you imagine how awesome Florida would have been after Tebow left if Newton stayed? Holy shite.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:30 pm to Zamoro10
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And lets not get carried away. VY had a pretty good rookie start. His running won't matter but it sure gets everyone all crazy in their mind.
VY has never thrown for 400 yards in a single game in his entire career.
Passing wise, his best game was 24/35, 249 yards, and 2 TDs.
A good game, to be sure, but not exactly take over the game through the air, quality.
And that's not really getting into his mechanical issues, which Newton doesn't really have.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:42 pm to OBUDan
Plus, VY went to a team with a decent defense and a running game...
Newton doesn't have that right now.
Newton doesn't have that right now.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:44 pm to Sophandros
I didn't see him being an NFL type of passer in college, but in 2 games he's shown me different. However, unlike some people I can still be objective and say he's a good QB even though I don't like him.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:48 pm to Sophandros
Still way too early to call Cam a success, I want to see how he fares once league DCs make their adjustments to him. He's put up big #s but still has a low completion % and tons of ints.
And for the race baiting, tebow faced just as many questions about his intelligence as Cam did. I still question Cam's intelligence and overall ability to lead a team. We'll see.
And for the race baiting, tebow faced just as many questions about his intelligence as Cam did. I still question Cam's intelligence and overall ability to lead a team. We'll see.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:49 pm to Sophandros
Yeah, Vince started in a better situation (even with the discord over the Norm Chow offense). His surrounding talent was a lot better.
Plus, Vince, for better or worse, just always struck me as a guy who said, "I'm gonna play my way and make it work." Which worked in college, and at times in the league.
Cam has totally embraced the idea that he needs to get stronger in the pocket/reading defenses/going through progressions.
Plus, Vince, for better or worse, just always struck me as a guy who said, "I'm gonna play my way and make it work." Which worked in college, and at times in the league.
Cam has totally embraced the idea that he needs to get stronger in the pocket/reading defenses/going through progressions.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:52 pm to Sophandros
I liked Cam. I didn't think he would be throwing for over 400 yards a game after two starts, but he reminded me of Steve McNair. Last year I said that for one year he was the best college QB I had ever seen.
It's only been 2 weeks but looks like he could end up being better than McNair, who was elite in his prime.
It's only been 2 weeks but looks like he could end up being better than McNair, who was elite in his prime.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:58 pm to PortCityTiger24
i thought he had potential to be great if he sat and got a complete breakdown (physically and mentally)
i was def wrong about that
i was def wrong about that
Posted on 9/21/11 at 3:35 pm to Zamoro10
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How would staying at Florida under Urban have helped the perception of his transition to the NFL?
Because people would have given Cam much less credit for taking a team like Florida to a national championship. And then the comparisons to Tebow would have just grown even more. There would have so many more critics saying, "Oh look another high profile QB having success in Florida" First Tebow, now Cam...
He took a losing team without any where near the talent of UF to an undefeated season in his one and only year. He carried that team on his back.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:52 pm to BilJ
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And for the race baiting, tebow faced just as many questions about his intelligence as Cam did.
But Tebow played college football for free, unlike Cam Newton who got paid to play college football
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:56 pm to Sophandros
Would newton have turned white in Florida? People questioned him because he's a black qb. Plain and simple
Posted on 9/21/11 at 7:08 pm to TheRammerJammer
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Let me know when he starts winning games. Nobody remembers 400 yard games of losing qb's despite all the damn hype that surrounds them.
Until then, Cammy Cam =
Let me know when he starts winning games. Nobody remembers 400 yard games of losing qb's despite all the damn hype that surrounds them.
Until then, Cammy Cam =
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 9/21/11 at 7:10 pm to Zantrix
Should get the first w this week against the jags. Gabbert is starting as well.
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