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Should the Group of 5 and P5 separate and the Go5 gets their own Title Game?
Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:38 pm
Even if a Group of 5 team went 13-0, they'd need to either beat 2-3 good P5 teams or hope for complete chaos if they want to make the playoffs. Most of those teams aren't even competing for a national title, the chance of getting in is way too small for them. Would anyone be for just separating the Power 5 and Group of 5 (though they could still play each other, maybe even use it to completely eliminate FCS opponents from FBS schedules, if they want cupcakes they all have to be Go5) and both having their own National Championship to play for?
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Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:40 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I already posted this question a couple weeks ago and was killed. Hopefully you have more respect on this board than I do so you can get real responses.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 12:45 pm to gobuxgo5
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Hopefully you have more respect on this board than I do so you can get real responses.
I'm afraid I've got some bad news...
Posted on 11/27/15 at 1:01 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I think it's good for the sport to have the little schools build great teams. It keeps the coaching talent pool healthy and it creates drama. If the playoff expands to 8, I hope the group of 5 gets an auto-bid.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 1:51 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Most of those teams aren't even competing for a national title, the chance of getting in is way too small for them.
You do realize this can be said about P5, right?
Posted on 11/27/15 at 1:58 pm to Montezuma
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You do realize this can be said about P5, right?
nah, not the same
a possibly 13-0 Iowa is either a lock (or has a strong chance) to make the CFP when that same team going 13-0 in a G5 conference with the same schedule wouldn't ever be considered
the P5 schools enjoy insurmountable advantages in perception, money, rankings, fanbase, etc.
even if we absorb the American and the Mountain West into being "P5", that leaves the Sun Belt, CUSA, and the MAC that should drop down a level
Posted on 11/27/15 at 1:58 pm to TeLeFaWx
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If the playoff expands to 8, I hope the group of 5 gets an auto-bid.
Why? how about take the 8 best teams in the country. Sorry, don't want autobids at all. Why would you want a team that has 3-4 losses that is not in the top 20 have a chance to play for a title just bc they won their conference?
Posted on 11/27/15 at 2:31 pm to chalmetteowl
You misunderstand my point. There are realistically, only a few teams with a legitimate shot to get in. It would take undefeated efforts for almost any team to get in. Purdue? ISU? Kansas? They have no realistic shot because they are terrible. Talent disparity exists int P5, so realism would reflect.
And why would the G5 agree to play in a national title game that explicitly states inferiority, even when they are on the same level of football (standards, not money)?
And why would the G5 agree to play in a national title game that explicitly states inferiority, even when they are on the same level of football (standards, not money)?
This post was edited on 11/27/15 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 11/27/15 at 2:40 pm to tigermike5
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Posted on 11/27/15 at 3:24 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
The AAC had a strong year. Houston, Temple, Memphis, and Navy would beat a lot of P5 teams. Even ECU, Cincinnati, and USF notched P5 wins.
Had Houston gone 12-0, added a win over Temple in the AACCG, I think they would be in the conversation, and certainly in if the playoffs were expanded to 8. I'd love to see what they could do against teams like Iowa.
Had Houston gone 12-0, added a win over Temple in the AACCG, I think they would be in the conversation, and certainly in if the playoffs were expanded to 8. I'd love to see what they could do against teams like Iowa.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 3:35 pm to Montezuma
quote:those teams can have that one dream year though, like Kansas had in 07...
Purdue? ISU? Kansas? They have no realistic shot because they are terrible. Talent disparity exists int P5, so realism would reflect.
for G5, that one dream year isn't good enough, bc Boise needed like 3 or 4 to get into the top 4 conversation
Posted on 11/27/15 at 3:57 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
There is nothing stopping these teams from doing what it takes to make the playoffs. To make the playoffs, you basically have to schedule good teams and beat them. Look at the good G5 teams, and look at the team's they've scheduled, and there's every answer you'll need to know.
Look at BYU. They're independent. They can play whoever the want. Nothing is in their way. So independence is one way to go about this.
If teams prefer the stability of a conference, reducing the conference schedule to fewer than eight games allows teams to have more autonomy in their schedules. That is, if a team has five or six OOC slots to schedule, instead of four, they can beef up their schedules more with decent opponents if they so please.
Look at BYU. They're independent. They can play whoever the want. Nothing is in their way. So independence is one way to go about this.
If teams prefer the stability of a conference, reducing the conference schedule to fewer than eight games allows teams to have more autonomy in their schedules. That is, if a team has five or six OOC slots to schedule, instead of four, they can beef up their schedules more with decent opponents if they so please.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 4:26 pm to tigermike5
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Why? how about take the 8 best teams in the country. Sorry, don't want autobids at all. Why would you want a team that has 3-4 losses that is not in the top 20 have a chance to play for a title just bc they won their conference?
b/c 8 "best" teams is completely subjective and leads to what we currently have w/the playoff committee that can't settle on what should matter from team to team.
the #1 goal for every team should first be to win their conference.
a 12 team playoff that gives an autobid to conference winners and leaves a few open spots for at large teams would be best for the sport.
making more teams matter is GOOD for football.
cutting it down to far less teams is myopic and will only lead to the slow death of the sport as more and more schools will no longer think its worth their time which would lead to less and less opportunities for players to develop.
This post was edited on 11/27/15 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 11/27/15 at 4:48 pm to Dr RC
Conference auto bids are unrealistic, and people still clamoring for this are uninformed. A conference title refers to only a fraction of a team's season and completely disregards three or four of their games. Additionally, not every team is a conference, nor will they ever be so required for playoff consideration.
Let go of this silly idea.
Let go of this silly idea.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 5:01 pm to ballscaster
Those schools that aren't in conferences would have to gun for the at large berths. Too bad so sad if they aren't in one.
As for disregarding the OOC, again, too bad so sad. Winning the conference should mean something and having several playoff berths tied to it would only make the regular season more important.
Saying it should be "the best" teams picked via completely random reasoning that changes team to team does nothing but set it up for blue bloods to get preferential treatment.
Also
and saying that people who disagree w/you on this are uninformed. frick off you arrogant arse. 
Posted on 11/27/15 at 5:08 pm to ballscaster
Perhaps instead of conference champions getting automatic bids, each conference gets a bid. So if a 10-3 team wins the championship over a 12-1 team, the conference decides who is worthy to enter the national playoff. They could tell their champion we're picking the team you've just beaten over you to play at the next level.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 6:24 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
No. Just have a top 24 tournament like FCS.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 8:21 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Been saying this for years. It's so stupid approximately half the teams in college football start their season with 0 chance at winning the title no matter what they do.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 8:27 pm to Dr RC
quote:OR...realize that this stupid idea just isn't on the table and never will be, and move on.
Those schools that aren't in conferences would have to gun for the at large berths. Too bad so sad if they aren't in one.
quote:Right now the entire regular season matters. Your way has about 2/3 of the regular season mattering. So you're mathematically wrong.
Winning the conference should mean something and having several playoff berths tied to it would only make the regular season more important.
quote:I'm actually more informed than you, so again, nothing you're saying holds water.
Also and saying that people who disagree w/you on this are uninformed. frick off you arrogant arse.
Posted on 11/27/15 at 8:29 pm to ULL Cool J
quote:OR...just pick the top 8 teams. Nothing with conference auto-bids is going to be a better idea than that, no matter how hard you try. There are over 100 perfectly logical, unbiased ways of deciding these things, and they are all included and researchable in the Massey Composite. LINK
Perhaps instead of conference champions getting automatic bids, each conference gets a bid. So if a 10-3 team wins the championship over a 12-1 team, the conference decides who is worthy to enter the national playoff. They could tell their champion we're picking the team you've just beaten over you to play at the next level.
The continual fascination with conferences and auto-bids is that of the uninformed.
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