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Removing the "criminal element" from the Power 5.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:10 pm
With all of the recent negative incidents in college football becoming national news such as the Baylor rape cover-up and the Joe Mixon situation. I would like to see the Power 5 come up with a "code of conduct" clause. Art Briles accepted a player from Boise St with a known criminal past and Bob Stoops kept Joe Mixon around for a reason. Both coaches wanted to win.
I believe players deserve second chances. I just don't believe they deserve that second chance on the biggest stage. Stoops didn't get of Mixon because he knew one of his competitors would pick him, regardless of his background.
I am not saying Mixon should have been denied the opportunity to play, I'm only saying he should have been prevented from playing for a Power 5 school. If SMU or Louisiana Tech or any other Group of 5 school would have offered him, his rights would have not been violated. Playing football and receiving a scholarship is a privilege, not a right.
Very few of us could have attended ANY college we wanted to, whether the issue was admission requirements or for financial reasons.
So, unless the Power 5 collectively agrees to a rule that "black balls" criminal activity, the pressure to win at the P5 level will always allow for the criminal element.
It would also help the G5 if all of sudden 10-15 impact players a year started showing up in their division.
I believe players deserve second chances. I just don't believe they deserve that second chance on the biggest stage. Stoops didn't get of Mixon because he knew one of his competitors would pick him, regardless of his background.
I am not saying Mixon should have been denied the opportunity to play, I'm only saying he should have been prevented from playing for a Power 5 school. If SMU or Louisiana Tech or any other Group of 5 school would have offered him, his rights would have not been violated. Playing football and receiving a scholarship is a privilege, not a right.
Very few of us could have attended ANY college we wanted to, whether the issue was admission requirements or for financial reasons.
So, unless the Power 5 collectively agrees to a rule that "black balls" criminal activity, the pressure to win at the P5 level will always allow for the criminal element.
It would also help the G5 if all of sudden 10-15 impact players a year started showing up in their division.
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:13 pm to Oddibe
If they want 2nd chances, there is always FCS,Div2, and Auburn
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:14 pm to stlslick
:rimshot:
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:18 pm to Oddibe
Would this have applied to Jordan Jefferson?
Your example are those with violence towards women, which is why I ask.
Your example are those with violence towards women, which is why I ask.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:21 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Image. The "win at all cost" blind eye of some administrations. Protecting coaches from themselves. If the best football player in America beats his girlfriend his head coach is going to do whatever he can to keep that player, so he will not have to worry about him going to his competitor. The end result makes the coach, school and administration look bad.
Why would they do this?
Personally, I would prefer to see the bad apples removed from college football at the highest level. If I really wanted to watch "the best play" all I have to do is watch on Sunday's instead of Saturday.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:23 pm to Oddibe
I mean, I understand that the goal is to improve the image of CFB, but is their image really suffering? It feels like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
You can personally choose to not watch the programs that keep these bad apples.
ETA: Just throwing some questions out there. Who makes the determination to ban these players from the P5? On what information do they make the determination: what they're charged with or what they are convicted of? Because most of the time those are vastly different charges in terms of severity.
Imposing such a general and vague ban would be a nightmare.
You can personally choose to not watch the programs that keep these bad apples.
ETA: Just throwing some questions out there. Who makes the determination to ban these players from the P5? On what information do they make the determination: what they're charged with or what they are convicted of? Because most of the time those are vastly different charges in terms of severity.
Imposing such a general and vague ban would be a nightmare.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:25 pm to BeYou
quote:The hard part of what I propose would be defining the "criteria" and there are much smarter people than me who could figure that out. Convictions of certain crimes is easy, especially violent crimes. In that case JJ would have been denied playing at LSU and not left to Miles or the team to make that decision.
Would this have applied to Jordan Jefferson?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:30 pm to stlslick
Your contract clearly states that you have to periodically remind the customers to tip their waitresses.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:35 pm to Oddibe
Who defines these criteria?
What is the criteria?
Who enforces the criteria?
Is the "who" biased in anyway?
All of those questions would have to be answered with very good answers before such an idea has a remote chance of being a good idea.
It's a case of good idea on paper, very likely shitty in execution.
What is the criteria?
Who enforces the criteria?
Is the "who" biased in anyway?
All of those questions would have to be answered with very good answers before such an idea has a remote chance of being a good idea.
It's a case of good idea on paper, very likely shitty in execution.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:41 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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Who makes the determination to ban these players from the P5? On what information do they make the determination: what they're charged with or what they are convicted of?
Was going to pose the same question. What do you do in a case of wrongful conviction; do you let the legal process play out to avoid the possibility of alienating an innocent person? And if you wait for the legal process, how do you keep that player from having his legal team continue to drag out the charges/suit so it doesn't affect his eligibility?
Also, what do you do with the players that have the means to keep things buried or from becoming an official charge?
There are too many what if scenarios from this ever becoming a thing. Hell, the NFL can basically do whatever they want when it comes to penalizing players and they still can't get it right. How do you expect the NCAA to do better?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:41 pm to Oddibe
If they're banned from OU what is the difference with them playing at LA Tech?
Football is a violent game played by violent thugs. Accept that criminals are often the best players and just enjoy the game.
Football is a violent game played by violent thugs. Accept that criminals are often the best players and just enjoy the game.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:48 pm to Kodar
quote:The Presidents of the Power 5 schools with possibly the Athletic Directors as well.
Who defines these criteria?
quote:Yet to be determined, because there is a lot of gray area. Jordan Jefferson for example, I think pleaded to a lessor charge.
What is the criteria?
I have no idea of what Mixon was charged with or if he was even convicted?
quote:The Athletic Directors of the power 5 schools.
Who enforces the criteria?
quote:The "who" would only be biased as to determining the criteria(schools who routinely take chances on bad apples), not the enforcement of. If the criteria is black and white enforcement becomes easy.
Is the "who" biased in anyway?
quote:I agree
All of those questions would have to be answered with very good answers before such an idea has a remote chance of being a good idea.
quote:I also agree and why I think it would never happen. BUT, I do like the concept.
It's a case of good idea on paper, very likely shitty in execution.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:52 pm to Weekend Warrior79
quote:The problem with the NFL is they are monopoly in the US. Kicking someone out the league is denying them the right to make a living in the area of their expertise.
Hell, the NFL can basically do whatever they want when it comes to penalizing players and they still can't get it right.
Black balling a kid from Power 5 schools is not denying a kid the opportunity to go to college or to receive a scholarship.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:53 pm to Oddibe
quote:
What is the criteria?
quote:Give it a shot.
Yet to be determined.
quote:Misdemeanor assault.
I have no idea of what Mixon was charged with or if he was even convicted?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:54 pm to Oddibe
Or, you know, when somebody does something criminal, you punish them appropriately.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:57 pm to Oddibe
So you're one of those social justice pussies right?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:01 pm to Oddibe
quote:
because there is a lot of gray area. Jordan Jefferson for example, I think pleaded to a lessor charge.
Jefferson pled no-contest to simple battery in 2012. So he would have been free to play in 2011. Unless you're wanting to blackball people for being charged with something.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:04 pm to Ed Osteen
quote:
So you're one of those social justice pussies right?
Actually, the social justice pussies are the reason there is a problem. The great District Attorney of West Monroe didn't want to convict a football player because the player worked outside and sweated and the DA never left the comfort of his air conditioned office. (No my words, that is directly form the DA)
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