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Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:23 pm to supadave3
1. There are way too many variables (and people) involved for anything to be fixed
2. In order to have the ability to fix the outcome, you have to have control of said variables and competence in the first place. Refs and league management have neither.
2. In order to have the ability to fix the outcome, you have to have control of said variables and competence in the first place. Refs and league management have neither.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:25 pm to LSUJuice
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1. There are way too many variables (and people) involved for anything to be fixed
speaking about the nfl here or just sports in general?
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:29 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
The NFL used to be a hardnose, men’s league that was nothing more than trying to find out who the best football team in the league was. Now that all the money and power has been infused into the league, it’s morphed into something that is almost unrecognizable when compared to how it was in the early days. There’s just too much money to be made right now, and too many hands in the pot for me to believe that there is no tomfrickery going on behind the scenes.
I have no scientific data to back this up, it is just my opinion.
I have no scientific data to back this up, it is just my opinion.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:36 pm to Deactived
Major sports in general, though basketball would have the fewest.
Edit: and I'm talking from a league orchestrating an entire scripted scheme standpoint. Sure small-scale isolated incidents can happen between a bigwig gambler and an individual ref.
Edit: and I'm talking from a league orchestrating an entire scripted scheme standpoint. Sure small-scale isolated incidents can happen between a bigwig gambler and an individual ref.
This post was edited on 12/12/17 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:40 pm to LSUJuice
ok so how do you say this
when its known about games being fixed
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1. There are way too many variables (and people) involved for anything to be fixed
when its known about games being fixed
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:41 pm to Deactived
I edited above
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:56 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Then take into account all the gambling on the NFL. If they admit to fixing games, they would be admitting to screwing over millions of people.
Exactly it would be highly illegal and risky so why do it?
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So your premise that "if they fixed it, they would just admit it" is borderline retarded
Well that’s not my premise so perhaps you should brush up on your comprehension skills.
My premise is simply that to pull off the type of Bond villain style conspiracy that is suggested here would be impossible and pointless since they could make tons of money being “on the level” anyway.
Individuals can and have and may still “fix” individual games. Those cases are isolated and ultimately uncovered.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:57 pm to StringedInstruments
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So again, how did Vegas know to predict the game that accurately?
Vegas doesnt make predictions with a point spread. They use public perception of the teams to generate a point spread. They have all the stats and inside info on each and every game so they have an idea of who the public will side with when they set the number. They take a stance on certain games (mostly the national Prime Time games) knowing the majority of money will be on the wrong side. Its called the house edge.
Point shaving happens which is why you will see a game land close to the point spread or the total.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:58 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Winning a SB 4 years after a natural disaster is now a coincidence? Boy that's a stretch. I found a lucky penny in 2013 and two years later I met my wife. Thank God I found that penny.
I’m pretty sure we’re making the same point here. I’m saying the Saints winning the SB after Katrina was not a “conspiracy” as many tin foil hat geeks like to suggest
Posted on 12/12/17 at 3:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
Well I will say this much... that first game back in the dome there was no way the NFL was gonna let the Saints lose that game... not saying they needed to do anything though... the Saints were on fire that night... it was a great feel good story for the league.....
Posted on 12/12/17 at 3:11 pm to dukke v
It’s a great story for the league that the Saints won, it wasn’t fixed
Posted on 12/12/17 at 3:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
Turns out they didn't have to try and fix it....
Posted on 12/12/17 at 3:16 pm to dukke v
I watched that game live in the stadium as well as numerous times along with other games vs the Falcons. Look at the blocked punt by Gleason and go to the blocked punt by Mauti a few years later. You will see exactly the same players do exactly the same thing. The Saints were basically allowed to run free to the punter on both blocked punts by the exact same players on Atlanta. Coincidence? Maybe but why werent the Saints able to block any other punts? Surely if the ST was doing some trickery it would have resulted in at least other blocked punts.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 3:34 pm to H-Town Tiger
I don't believe anyone has suggested that it was a conspiracy.
Matter of fact, the conspiracy is that the NFL wanted to influence that game to go Manning way because it would be a great storyline that he beat his dad's old team.
I don't agree with that conspiracy but that's the one the tin foil hat geeks are sticking with.
Matter of fact, the conspiracy is that the NFL wanted to influence that game to go Manning way because it would be a great storyline that he beat his dad's old team.
I don't agree with that conspiracy but that's the one the tin foil hat geeks are sticking with.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 3:36 pm to saintsfan1977
Now you're stretching it. I think the NFL "fixes" some games to make the end of the season more interesting. I don't think they fabricate the entire storyline.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 3:44 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I don't think they fabricate the entire storyline.
I wasnt suggesting they did. Just something I found odd about it is all.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 4:01 pm to saintsfan1977
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I’m The Saints were basically allowed to run free to the punter on both blocked punts by the exact same players on Atlanta. Coincidence? Maybe but why werent the Saints able to block any other punts
Good Lord
how many other punts in between were there? Here’s an thought the Falcons has the wrong blocking scheme called maybe the Saints noticed something that tipped them off and enabling them to block the punts maybe they Saints just bull rushed and got there who the frick knows. But the idea that someone somewhere designed it that way is ludicrous. When you go looking for patterns you can convince yourself they are there. Posted on 12/12/17 at 4:08 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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don't believe anyone has suggested that it was a conspiracy
This is in the OP
quote:. That is what I was responding to. The Saints won in the 2009 season Katrina was 2005. The first year after the Saints got all the way to the NFC CG before getting squashed. Why would they wait 4 years to let the Saints won? Answer they didn’t it’s a nice story that an historical bad franchise final won especially in light of Katrina but it’s mere coincidence that the win was (years) after the storm.. maybe the Yankees won in 2009 cause of 9/11?
When you think of things like the Saints winning after Katrina, Peyton Mannings last season, etc, it'll make you wonder. How often do series in NBA
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