re: Pete Carroll Comments on Stripped USC Title

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So It was OK for USC TO CHEAT???????????

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Everyone who can read on this site and in America knows USC didn't "cheat" by any form of the traditional definition. But it's an easy and convenient word to use for those with arrested development.

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So It was OK for Reggie Bush to violate NCAA rules?????????????

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Irrational anger but the above is at least factual correct.

the other issue that is open to interpretation is what intent was of Carroll at USC

He allowed extraordinary access of all types of people (including agents) to his practices and his locker rooms

It gets harder to argue you are doing everything you can to prevent agents getting to your star players... when you allow (if not outright encourage) said access

A cynical person has to wonder if Carroll knew the predictable would occur... agents would get to the kids and money and/or other benfits would be given... the sort of arrangement many coaches seem to look the other way on between school boosters and their players

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It gets harder to argue you are doing everything you can to prevent agents getting to your star players

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Nothing to do with coaching and recruiting. Reggie took money 2 years AFTER he came to USC - no recruiting advantage - no other player implicated in taking money from agents - so it wasn't an atmosphere other recruits took advantage of for their own benefit. If the NCAA didn't manufacture this new "special athlete" standard then nothing sticks to USC under the previous precedents set by the NCAA and their then existing rules.

So I don't care about the ramifications of illegal punishments handed out by an EX POST FACTO law which "retroactively alter the definition of a crime, retroactively increase the punishment for a criminal act, or punish conduct that was legal when committed. They are prohibited by Article I, Section 10, Clause 1, of the U.S. Constitution. An ex post facto law is considered a hallmark of tyranny because it deprives people of a sense of what behavior will or will not be punished and allows for random punishment at the whim of those in power."

Given the disparate treatment in the Cam Newton situation and the current Ohio State mess, this sums up the NCAA nicely.

Vacate the BCS?

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It gets harder to argue you are doing everything you can to prevent agents getting to your star players

Nothing to do with coaching and recruiting.

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only true if you think the same holds for boosters slipping players cash IMO

And I disagree with both scenarios.

If extra benefits are available the word gets around (as it does IMO about some boosters, or as it did IMO at tOSU about which car dealers or tattoo shops to frequent)

If players know there are extra benefits to be had... then the debate about whether it came from a booster or an agent is an academic one IMO... at least in apples to apples comparisons where the school has been negligent about preventing the benefits

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It's not officially an SC thread until TOG and SouGent have posted in it.

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Thank you so very much for the recognition!! It warms my heart to know my efforts have been appreciated!!

Oh, and while I'm here, I might as well point out USC cheated, got caught and have been justly punished, so DEAL WITH IT!!!

and all SC fans should remember that your program is only one Kiffin f*ck up away from DEATH!!!

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USC violated rules. therefore, they cheated. Not by any crazy standard, but by the dictionary definition of the word. USC cheated. We can argue over whether that cheating truly impacted the games, but it is undeniable they broke NCAA rules and regulations.

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I don't know if I'd say they "cheated" since that involves active deception. USC's real crime is one of negligence. Either way, USC fans need to know that this is USC's problem and not the rest of the world's problem.

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says the man who cut and ran as fast as he could

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I don't blame him. Who the hell could? If you're among the best at your profession, and your employer is doing a shitty job at maintaining a work environment where you can succeed, then it's perfectly reasonable for you to conclude that that employer doesn't deserve you and that it may be best for you to seek work elsewhere.

If Carroll was still coaching at USC, he would be ineligible to participate in the postseason; that means his team could go 9-0 in the Pac-12 this year and not even play in the P12CG.

OR he could go coach a team that could make the playoffs at 7-9. Once Carroll arrived in Los Angeles, he's done a great job for himself and has been nothing but successful. There's nothing not to admire.

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Our days as violators in the NCAA's witch hunt are over. It's the rest of you that need to worry now.

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Is that so? As I said, your program is only one Kiffin f*ck up away from DEATH, which means it's only a matter of time because he WILL f*ck up!

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Zamoro, don't worry about him, he's obsessed. I'll give you $100 for every USC related thread TigersOfGold hasn't posted in. So here you go, here's your zero dollars.

It's not officially an SC thread until TOG and SouGent have posted in it.

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Funny thing is, I can say the exact same thing about some of you USC fans in regards to negative threads about LSU. So blame LSUTANGERINE and others for inciting this kind of response by LSU fans.

The glaring difference, of course, is that LSU is in the spotlight for misdeeds a tiny, insignificant fraction of the time by comparison with USC. And always has been.

Which is something you guys just don't seem to get.