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re: Padres Looking for a SS.... maybe Castro?

Posted on 4/7/15 at 5:40 pm to
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 5:40 pm to
Going to say this and jettison

Padres are already pretty bad defensively and Castro wouldn't fix help matters -- tho he has gotten better.

Padres need table setters for the middle of the order. I don't have to look up Castro's numbers to know he's a free swinger -- Yes he hit .300 at like age 21 and 22. I know.

I just don't know if he's the fit Id be looking for if I was the Pads, but then again, who is at at SS in the majors.

And I get everything youve said Papz.
Posted by HoustonTiger2008
Member since Feb 2015
631 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 7:44 pm to
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I don't have to look up Castro's numbers to know he's a free swinger -- Yes he hit .300 at like age 21 and 22. I know.

You probably should look up the numbers before you start babbling about something that you don't know very much about. Castro hit .292 with a .339 OBP with 14 dingers and 65 RBI in an injury shortened season for a pretty lousy offensive team in 2014. I would very much consider him to be an adequate table setter. He could also easily develop into a 20+ homerun hitter.

If you want to talk about his defense leaving something to be desired you might have somewhat of a point.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 7:48 pm
Posted by HoustonTiger2008
Member since Feb 2015
631 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 7:47 pm to
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He's an All Star shortstop looked up for the next 5 years, during his prime I might add, on average for 8.6 million a year. I'm not sure you get want team friendly means. His contract, especially at his age and compared to the rest of the other quality SS in the league, is a bargain.

Yeah anyone who even attempts to dispute that his contract is team friendly has no clue.
Posted by ZenFNmaster
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2474 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:17 pm to
The Cubs and more importantly Theo knows what they have in Castro. Very few teams have the pieces required to put together a deal that would bring back the value that Castro provides.
The Mets, the Phillies or Bluejays are the 3 that most quickly come to mind. The common denominator with those 3 being an ace or potential that's either in the bigs or extremely close.
Posted by HoustonTiger2008
Member since Feb 2015
631 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:40 pm to
And also bear in mind that the Cubs are in no way desperate to trade Castro. He can be shifted to third base very easily and that would actually probably solve a lot of his mental lapses on defense.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:42 pm to
Dude is league average on defense, I mean his defensive WAR was -0.2 last year, that isn't huge
Posted by HoustonTiger2008
Member since Feb 2015
631 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:45 pm to
Who has said anything indicating anything other that?
Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
9418 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:48 pm to
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Renfroe maybe?

Nope. Even with all the wheeling and dealing, Preller has stated many times everyone but Hunter Renfroe is available. He has said in no way will Renfroe be traded.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 8:51 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:52 pm to
People making it sound as if he is Jeter defensively.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 8:53 pm to
Saban once said he would not be the coach of Alabama... if the Cubs bit he would make the trade.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27421 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 10:16 pm to
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You probably should look up the numbers before you start babbling about something that you don't know very much about. Castro hit .292 with a .339 OBP with 14 dingers and 65 RBI in an injury shortened season for a pretty lousy offensive team in 2014. I would very much consider him to be an adequate table setter. He could also easily develop into a 20+ homerun hitter.


1) Calm down, slick
2) I looked up the numbers for you. .314 OBP over the last three seasons.

They're numbers and can be illustrated in whatever way to fit your point. You can come back and say there was outlier year in there. And that's fine.

It's OK to have different opinions. Me, I'm not trading for him if I'm the Pads.
Posted by ZenFNmaster
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2474 posts
Posted on 4/7/15 at 11:20 pm to
It doesn't matter if the Pads were to want to trade for him, unless they involve another team they don't have the chips.
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 7:31 am to
quote:

It's OK to have different opinions. Me, I'm not trading for him if I'm the Pads.



Well yea...because if you're the pads you're looking at things you can offer and there really isn't anything there valuable enough to pry castro away.
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 7:34 am to
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People making it sound as if he is Jeter defensively.


As cubs fans it's mandatory that we find one guy not worthy of our praise and pour it on him.

Then we also must find a guy who is worthy of that praise and shite on him.

I'm a Coughlan/strop guy.
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89498 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:04 am to
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He can be shifted to third base very easily and that would actually probably solve a lot of his mental lapses on defense.
I just will never understand why people want Castro to play third base. I am not saying I'm right for not getting it, but I just don't get it.

I feel like I know Addison Russell is going to be the SS for the Cubs. Castro is league average at SS right now, but his bat is established and he's 25 and improving. That gives him quite a bit of value to the Cubs.

I guess my point is I don't have an answer for where to play Castro once Russell comes up and that makes me hate my thought process for hating Castro at 3B. The Cubs might leave well enough alone and leave Castro at SS. I feel like they will be just fine defensively with Baez, Russell and Castro all on the infield. But how do they maximize it? Well, thank God Joe Maddon is going to be the guy figuring that one out.

A lot of this will also all depend on Kris Bryant's defense at 3B and Mike Olt's success early in the season.

So many good problems for the Cubs to have right now.
Posted by Hold my beer
Member since Mar 2015
187 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:08 am to
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I'm a Coughlan/strop guy.


This year is still under review.

I'm gonna stick with the Baker/Castro combo for now
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:13 am to
quote:

I just will never understand why people want Castro to play third base.


I don't necessarily want him to play there, in fact i have no preference in position if he does need to be moved off SS because russell is just that much better, but I do think that castro has the arm for it, and being at the 'hot corner' might keep him a touch more focused to cut down on some of those head scratcher plays he makes every now and again.

no matter what happens i really want the cubs to keep castro.
Posted by HoustonTiger2008
Member since Feb 2015
631 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:22 am to
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I just will never understand why people want Castro to play third base.

Well there are several reasons why it would be a viable option. Let me preface this with I did not say I think Castro will be a Gold Glove caliber third baseman.

Clearly Addison Russell is going to be the everyday starting shortstop of the Chicago Cubs before the All Star break. He is already, by far, the best defensive shortstop in the entire organization.

With that being said, Castro has to go somewhere because his bat obviously needs to be in the lineup. The main knock on Castro has been his tendency to lose focus and have complete mental lapses in the field. Putting him at third base is more about reaction than preparation, unlike shortstop. He definitely has the arm for third base and he is a very good athlete. Obviously 2 other options for Castro are 2B and LF. 2B is similar to shortstop in that he needs to be prepared before the pitch is thrown. Also, Baez looks like a good fit at 2B if he can figure things out at the plate.

I think Kris Bryant's defense at 3B is the least important factor in all of this. Castro's bat has to be in the lineup and I can't see any situation in which the first option outside of SS for Castro would be LF. Bryant might come up and play 3B at first, but if Russell comes up and Castro is still a Cub, I think the first option will most likely be 3B.

Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89498 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:31 am to
Everything you said makes perfect sense.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
14014 posts
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:13 am to
Except what if Coghlan is on fire an you can't take him out of the lineup?
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