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Outside the Lines crushes Baylor on not taking rape seriously
Posted on 1/31/16 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/31/16 at 10:37 am
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...an investigation by Outside the Lines found several examples in Tanya's case, and others at Baylor, in which school officials either failed to investigate, or adequately investigate, allegations of sexual violence. In many cases, officials did not provide support to those who reported assaults. Moreover, it took Baylor more than three years to comply with a federal directive: In April 2011, the U.S. Department of Education sent a letter to all colleges and universities outlining their responsibilities under Title IX, including the need for each school to have a Title IX coordinator. Baylor didn't hire a full-time coordinator until fall 2014.
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This kinda feels like a smear piece to be honest. I'd be surprised to see OTL do a similar piece on say Notre Dame.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 10:46 am to okietiger
i will never understand the desire to have universities investigate crimes under the jurisdiction of policing agencies
oh wait, the interest groups want to punish alleged perpetrators without having to follow our constitutional guidelines for criminal investigations? they want to create witch hunts that don't allow a defense or require real evidence? oh and the burden isn't beyond a reasonable doubt and is often a preponderance (decided by a biased group without legal knowledge and who has been presented a completely biased cased) nevermind, i do understand
oh wait, the interest groups want to punish alleged perpetrators without having to follow our constitutional guidelines for criminal investigations? they want to create witch hunts that don't allow a defense or require real evidence? oh and the burden isn't beyond a reasonable doubt and is often a preponderance (decided by a biased group without legal knowledge and who has been presented a completely biased cased) nevermind, i do understand
Posted on 1/31/16 at 10:48 am to okietiger
Let me guess, it was Bob Ley
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
It's scary how a male student can be falsely accused now and there's nothing he can do but face the consequences.
I read a few articles on this. There's inherent group biased towards female from men and women. So man walks in court and tell his side of the story. People listen. Some may believe him, some not. Then women walks in court. Just by her appearance people will look at her, be more sympathetic to her, and more than ready to believe what she has to say.
I read a few articles on this. There's inherent group biased towards female from men and women. So man walks in court and tell his side of the story. People listen. Some may believe him, some not. Then women walks in court. Just by her appearance people will look at her, be more sympathetic to her, and more than ready to believe what she has to say.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:10 am to okietiger
I was seriously wondering where this allegation disappeared to.. even Louisville incident has gone quiet from the media..
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:16 am to SlowFlowPro
Possibly your best post ever.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:19 am to Magician2
Once the legal system did its job, Sam U was dismissed by the university. If you throw someone out and the legal system then finds them not guilty, you are going to be sued. If you don't throw them out before it goes to court, the media crucifies you. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Guess due process is an outdated concept.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:26 am to Sevendust912
No shocker, Big12 isn't exactly a beacon of academic higher learning. Some of the biggest football/Basketball factories are in the conference.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
frick Baylor and anyone defending them
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:37 am to Gradual_Stroke
Here come the baylor fans.....
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:43 am to Gradual_Stroke
Yeah? It's funny how much Baylor bothers UT, TAMU, and OU fans these days.
My have times changed.
My have times changed.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Bryce Dixon was expelled from USC for sexual assault after an investigation (not by police) but by USC's university adjudication process.
But an LA Superior Court judge barred USC from carrying out it's punishment against Dixon stating that most university investigations and punishments are miserably biased and unfair:
"USC's investigation was biased and lacks due process...the University investigator acts as police, prosecutor and judge...there is no hearing, no right to counsel, no rules of evidence, no presumption of innocence, and no right to confront witnesses...Courts are beginning to recognize the injustice imposed on students."
And a University of Tennessee wrestler had his expulsion reversed by a court after they found that UT had shifted the burden of proof to the defendant and violated the due process rights of the accused.
So frick ESPN and their deliberately misleading and ignorant reporting.
Universities and SJW like to impose this "higher standard" than due process and reasonable doubt and it's really no standard - it's just political railroading.
But an LA Superior Court judge barred USC from carrying out it's punishment against Dixon stating that most university investigations and punishments are miserably biased and unfair:
"USC's investigation was biased and lacks due process...the University investigator acts as police, prosecutor and judge...there is no hearing, no right to counsel, no rules of evidence, no presumption of innocence, and no right to confront witnesses...Courts are beginning to recognize the injustice imposed on students."
And a University of Tennessee wrestler had his expulsion reversed by a court after they found that UT had shifted the burden of proof to the defendant and violated the due process rights of the accused.
So frick ESPN and their deliberately misleading and ignorant reporting.
Universities and SJW like to impose this "higher standard" than due process and reasonable doubt and it's really no standard - it's just political railroading.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i will never understand the desire to have universities investigate crimes under the jurisdiction of policing agencies
To be fair, from an AD perspective, it's probably a lot easier to sweep "athlete issues" under the rug when your University PD is running the show. That's where that premise was originally based, before any liberal exploitation of it.
I think one of the Presidential candidates (I want to say Sanders) actually suggested having city PDs handle those kind of investigations and got some huge backlash over "forcing women to report to the police". As a woman, I think I'd rather have city PD handle something like that then University PD, especially if an athlete is involved. So I don't get that mindset either.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 11:58 am to double d
Let's see:
Basketball program covers up murder
Football program covers up rape
Women's Basketball program forces star player to deny who she/it is
What's next?
Basketball program covers up murder
Football program covers up rape
Women's Basketball program forces star player to deny who she/it is
What's next?
Posted on 1/31/16 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i will never understand the desire to have universities investigate crimes under the jurisdiction of policing agencies oh wait, the interest groups want to punish alleged perpetrators without having to follow our constitutional guidelines for criminal investigations? they want to create witch hunts that don't allow a defense or require real evidence? oh and the burden isn't beyond a reasonable doubt and is often a preponderance (decided by a biased group without legal knowledge and who has been presented a completely biased cased) nevermind, i do understand
this
Posted on 1/31/16 at 12:07 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
AD perspective, it's probably a lot easier to sweep "athlete issues" under the rug when your University PD is running the show. That's where that premise was originally based, before any liberal exploitation of it.
naw. if you go read up on it, they are mad at the regular police and the criminal justice system for actually having rules
that's why the crackpot liars make headlines when they claim "the police refused to investigate" when it's really "the police knew i was full of shite". perfect example is columbia/mattress girl. the UVA lie had the same issues
i don't think many university police forces are handling rape investigations
Posted on 1/31/16 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't think many university police forces are handling rape investigations
IMO it depends on how it's reported, the size of the University PD, etc. Some I believe look into the accusations and in most cases it never makes it off campus (rightfully so in most cases).
I know when Chuck Hayes was accused of rape back in the early 2000s, it originally started on the University level and nothing was found of it (because it was a shaky accusation at best). She then tried to go beyond that to city PD after she hired "new lawyers" and wanted to pursue criminal charges again. They found that her accusations that she was given a "milkshake and brownies filled with weed and sedatives" were pretty ridiculous.
Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. But it shouldn't be University PDs handling it. Sometimes they do though.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 12:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i will never understand the desire to have universities investigate crimes under the jurisdiction of policing agencies
oh wait, the interest groups want to punish alleged perpetrators without having to follow our constitutional guidelines for criminal investigations? they want to create witch hunts that don't allow a defense or require real evidence? oh and the burden isn't beyond a reasonable doubt and is often a preponderance (decided by a biased group without legal knowledge and who has been presented a completely biased cased) nevermind, i do understand
This should be posted after every university rape investigation thread on the MSB. And the thread should be stickied and locked.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 12:23 pm to PeteRose
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It's scary how a male student can be falsely accused now and there's nothing he can do but face the consequences.
Your word vs. hers. You're fricked.
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