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re: Now that USCw has lost, media will just find a new overrated anti-SEC darling
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:20 am to Mr. Hangover
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:20 am to Mr. Hangover
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i don't really think it's fair to use bama's schedule against them when debating on whether or not they deserved to be in the title game
"I don't think it's fair to use objective evidence which contradicts my pre-conceived notions"
Sorry. I'll let H-Town continue to destroy the weak arse Bama arguments, but I wanted this layup.
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Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:22 am to Mr. Hangover
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don't really think it's fair to use bama's schedule against them when debating on whether or not they deserved to be in the title game.
Are you kidding me? What's the argument against say Boise being in the game? That's right, their schedule. If we are just going to use eyeball tests, why do we have a title game in the first place?
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To be a champion, you not only have to be great, but you have to win when it counts, in the clutch. IMHO, we could have beaten Bama 13 times straight and none of it would have mattered if Bama beat us the 14th time. Bama did that, and not only did they win, they absolutely erased us in all phases of the game. They deserve the crystal ball. I have a lot of Bama friends (including my boss). I don't give then shite for the way they got in because I don't believe it's relevant. Champions win championship games.
don't get me wrong, i agree with all of this
To me this is a real shame, you guys are saying regular seasons are completely meaningless and should be. This is a by product of marketing unfortunately. Who should win the Masters, the guy who shots the low score over 4 rounds, or the guy who shots the lowest score on the back 9 on Sunday. You are voting for the later with this comment.
If CFB had a multi round playoff 8 or 16 teams then certainly Alabama would have deserved to be in and had they won that would be one thing, but just getting voted in based on name and subjective opinion undermines the value of the season.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:27 am to H-Town Tiger
The OP is doing a fantastic job of ignoring H-Town Tiger and his valid posts, along with the points I made earlier about the difference between LSU's 03 and 07 teams and Bama's 2011 team.
Good work delusional gump! 14 pages and you have ignored all the valid points.
Good work delusional gump! 14 pages and you have ignored all the valid points.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:28 am to H-Town Tiger
h town... i believe you and i have a bet with someone over notre dame's record this year, right?
i'm sorry, let me clarify... if they're playing an SEC schedule, that should be difficult enough to merit a title game appearance, right?? that's the difference bw them and boise..
either way, i hate bama and (most of) their fans, i just try not to let that hate form an invalid opinion
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don't really think it's fair to use bama's schedule against them when debating on whether or not they deserved to be in the title game. Are you kidding me? What's the argument against say Boise being in the game? That's right, their schedule. If we are just going to use eyeball tests, why do we have a title game in the first place?
i'm sorry, let me clarify... if they're playing an SEC schedule, that should be difficult enough to merit a title game appearance, right?? that's the difference bw them and boise..
either way, i hate bama and (most of) their fans, i just try not to let that hate form an invalid opinion
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:28 am to genro
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Bama/Saban are deserving of their praise. Not overrated.
Saban is no doubt a great coach, but after beating Texas, SI called Bama a Dynasty and asked if anyone can stop Bama. Over the next 2 season Bama is 22-4, 1-2 vs LSU who is 24-3, 2-1 v Bama. But no, no one can stop Bama.
Plus he was on the cover of Forbes after 1 7-6 season at Bama. Over rated isn't the right word, but there is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy element to the media praise in a sport where the Champ is determined by a vote and not say, winning 4 best of 7 playoff series (or 3 best of 7, 1 best of 5) like in the case of Michael Jordan.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:30 am to H-Town Tiger
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you guys are saying regular seasons are completely meaningless
To the extent of trying to determine the two teams that will play for the NC, it sort of is.
The regular season failed to objectively determine who was better between Okie St and Bama, so it was useless in that regard, no?
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and should be.
I'm not saying that. I, like you, am a proponent of a playoff system. A simple plus one would have sorted all of this out.
But we didn't have this last year. We had something inferior and we all knew this going into the season, so like I said, the outcome is what it is.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:30 am to H-Town Tiger
" .. If CFB had a multi round playoff 8 or 16 teams then certainly Alabama would have deserved to be in and had they won that would be one thing, but just getting voted in based on name and subjective opinion undermines the value of the season... "
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.. THIS ! + 1000
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Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:30 am to Mr. Hangover
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'm sorry, let me clarify... if they're playing an SEC schedule, that should be difficult enough to merit a title game appearance, right?
5 of Bama's 8 SEC opponents did not have winning records. UF, MSU and Vandy were 6-6, UT was 5-7, OM was 2-10.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:32 am to Mr. Hangover
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h town... i believe you and i have a bet with someone over notre dame's record this year, right?
No, he wanted a ban bet, I'm not doing that, I'll do avatar bets, but not a ban. I had ND over I think it was 7.5 or 8 wins. I liked them for 8-4, 9-3. Beating MSU makes that look better.
This post was edited on 9/16/12 at 11:36 am
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:35 am to ZereauxSum
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The regular season failed to objectively determine who was better between Okie St and Bama, so it was useless in that regard, no?
No, OSU beat more ranked teams, more teams with a winning record and won a BCS conference. IMO its a slam dunk who should have gone. Who is "better" is purely subjective.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:37 am to genro
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This is about the media being stupid and wrong about USC (or Notre Dame or others).
You mean like in 2010 after you crushed a bad Florida team and were declared on another level from any other college football team only to go on and lose three games including one to South Carolina?
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:39 am to genro
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One of the very very few teams to ever do that. First team to do that in 26 years.
It's about as close to a fact as you can get.
How many top 50 offenses did Alabama play? Its also a fact that only 4 of your opponents were FBS teams with a winning record.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:41 am to genro
Oregon will step into the PAC12 overated seat
Posted on 9/16/12 at 11:44 am to H-Town Tiger
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No, OSU beat more ranked teams, more teams with a winning record and won a BCS conference. IMO its a slam dunk who should have gone. Who is "better" is purely subjective.
Agreed, but it was 4 ranked opponets versus Bama's 3. And the only competition in that conference was Oklahoma, who wasn't very solid last year.
I think these measurements are all a little subjective and the only true objective measure is one team beating another.
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