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re: NASCAR monster energy series @Las Vegas thread
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:44 pm to kengel2
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:44 pm to kengel2
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He could have let off and got behind Logano.
On the last lap? No, any driver who concedes a position on the last lap doesn't need to be in a seat with all the young talent in the Xfinity and CW series.
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Call it a pick or whatever you want...by dropping down when there wasnt room.
No one has faulted Joey for the move. He pushed his line up to try and trap the 18 behind the 2 who was having engine issues, was a good move. You also can't blame the 18 for seeing it and making a move to avoid a wreck. There was plenty of room if Joey sticks to the line he ran the whole race, instead he came up to the middle where nobody runs because there's no grip and you don't get the same momentum as you would running the top. That sequence was two drivers trying to win by bumping and taking advantage of traffic, I have zero issue with either driver there.
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Busch caused himself to wreck,
The bumping/pick have zero to do with what happened in turn 4. Joey got upset that his pick didn't work and he didn't have the car to win a drag race with the 18 so he wrecked him. This is what anyone who is not a Penske fan is acknowledging as a bad move by a young driver who is starting to develop a reputation as a guy who will wreck you if he can't pass you and won't even admit to it. At least Carl, Big E, and Rowdy admitted they initiated contact. Trying to constantly blame the other driver is tired and completely disingenuous.
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:54 pm to AwesomeSauce
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those two guys need to learn how to at least come across as apologetic
This. At least with Kyle, Kurt, and Harvick you know if/when they did it on purpose. If it's their fault, they will admit it. It was the same thing with Tony Stewart. Those two are very smug, although Brad is not as much as he used to be.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:09 pm to AwesomeSauce
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On the last lap? No, any driver who concedes a position on the last lap doesn't need to be in a seat
So anything goes on the last lap? Then what are we complaining about?
Busch didn't 'make a move to avoid a wreck'. He initiated contact when he refused to back out of the throttle. If he's ok with that move, he shpuld be ok with whatever 'retaliation' he gets, but he obviously isn't. Of course, intellectual honesty isn't exactly required of NASCAR drivers, or fans.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:28 pm to FightinTigersDammit
There's a lot of fail in some of these comments. Kyle clearly started the chain reaction and deserves what he got. If Joey or Brad were racing for Hendricks, most of you on here would be sucking them off every weekend. 
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:29 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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So anything goes on the last lap? Then what are we complaining about?
Not what I said. Kyle backing out of the throttle and losing all momentum going into the last set of turns is not the same as a driver taking out another driver.
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intellectual honesty isn't exactly required of NASCAR drivers, or fans.
Exactly, see equating what the two drivers did as a prime example.
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If he's ok with that move, he shpuld be ok with whatever 'retaliation' he gets, but he obviously isn't
Busch's move was retaliation for Joey pinning him up there when Joey moved off his line so Kyle would have to check up or run over Brad.
Some people don't like Kyle, and I get it. I have been known to sling my share of boos his way when he is announced at TMS over the years. That doesn't change the fact that what Kyle did to Joey was racing and came about because of how Joey decided to race him there. When Joey's move didn't work and he knew he couldn't win a drag race with Kyle coming off four and down the stretch he took him out. There were three moves; Joey pin, Kyle rub and make room, and Joey taking out a car because his move didn't work. I laughed when it happened and was ecstatic to see Chase slip by and come in third while all of it was going on. That being said, I still can see it for what it was a step to far by a guy who has now done this multiple times when things don't go his way.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:39 pm to patriotgrunt
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There's a lot of fail in some of these comments.
Everyone sees what they want to see I suppose. Drivers are polarizing based on who one roots for they see driver X as incapable of wrong and driver y as a rampaging imbecile.
That last lap had a move, a counter move, and a driver get dumped. Insert different drivers into who made which move and you will see different variants on what transpired.
IMO, if Joey stays down and forces Kyle to take the middle line to get around Brad, then Joey gets third because Kyle would've had to get out the throttle when he slid up out of four enough for Joey to finish the pass.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 5:40 pm to AwesomeSauce
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what Kyle did to Joey was racing
No. No, it wasn't. But continue to use your selective vision. I've wasted enough time on this.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:00 pm to AwesomeSauce
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quote: Call it a pick or whatever you want...by dropping down when there wasnt room. No one has faulted Joey for the move. He pushed his line up to try and trap the 18 behind the 2 who was having engine issues, was a good move. You also can't blame the 18 for seeing it and making a move to avoid a wreck. There was plenty of room if Joey sticks to the line he ran the whole race, instead he came up to the middle where nobody runs because there's no grip and you don't get the same momentum as you would running the top. That sequence was two drivers trying to win by bumping and taking advantage of traffic, I have zero issue with either driver there.
Totally agree
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quote: Busch caused himself to wreck, The bumping/pick have zero to do with what happened in turn 4. Joey got upset that his pick didn't work and he didn't have the car to win a drag race with the 18 so he wrecked him. This is what anyone who is not a Penske fan is acknowledging as a bad move by a young driver who is starting to develop a reputation as a guy who will wreck you if he can't pass you and won't even admit to it. At least Carl, Big E, and Rowdy admitted they initiated contact. Trying to constantly blame the other driver is tired and completely disingenuous.
Totally disagree
Joey went into the last corner aggressively (as he should) and got loose
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:06 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Joey went into the last corner aggressively (as he should) and got loose
Yep. YOu can see him get loose. Even the commentator said he got loose. Sounded like Gordon who said that.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:08 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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selective vision
I just don't understand what Kyle is expected to do there. If you pull up you lose all momentum going into the final section before the finish. With the way they were running slowing down enough to let Logano go by could push him from 4th to 6th if Joey feathers it in 4 to block him with Chase being right there. Anytime a driver make a block or pick attempt at that stage in the race a counter move should be expected. You can't hem someone up and not give them an out. If that happened with 50 to go sure, you would expect the 18 to give him the position and try to tuck in behind, but in that spot you can't fault a guy for rubbing, hell that's 90% of Martinsville and Bristol is guys bumping doors open when someone shuts down a line.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:16 pm to AwesomeSauce
I liked both drivers moves in final lap. I dislike both drivers but I like that they have an aggressive win at all cost attitude. Jr needs it! His lack of pushing the issue and wanting to be the good guy gets him murdered on restarts. He doesn't have the balls to hang it out and go for it.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:10 pm to AwesomeSauce
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I just don't understand what Kyle is expected to do there. If you pull up you lose all momentum going into the final section before the finish. With the way they were running slowing down enough to let Logano go by could push him from 4th to 6th if Joey feathers it in 4 to block him with Chase being right there. Anytime a driver make a block or pick attempt at that stage in the race a counter move should be expected. You can't hem someone up and not give them an out. If that happened with 50 to go sure, you would expect the 18 to give him the position and try to tuck in behind, but in that spot you can't fault a guy for rubbing, hell that's 90% of Martinsville and Bristol is guys bumping doors open when someone shuts down a line.
And I totally agree here as well, I have no problem with anything Kyle did on the track either
I'm not sure joey did anything wrong at all but hey, I'm for any fight in NASCAR so I'm cool with Kyle going after him on pit road. Especially how he did it, we never get a no no sense throw a punch fight anymore
Posted on 3/14/17 at 7:54 am to AwesomeSauce
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I just don't understand what Kyle is expected to do there. If you pull up you lose all momentum going into the final section before the finish. With the way they were running slowing down enough to let Logano go by could push him from 4th to 6th if Joey feathers it in 4 to block him with Chase being right there.
How did Kyle finish again? What position?
Losing a position would have been better than wrecking himself.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:00 am to Wishnitwas1998
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I'm not sure joey did anything wrong at all
If someone wants to say he just got loose and the 18 got caught up in it, then that's fine. I think it can be argued that he may have actually gotten loose and saved it which is why he had to drag race the 2 who had blown his motor a lap before just to save the 4 spot. He smiles at everything seemingly so maybe I read his post race demeanor the wrong way.
What I don't get is guys on here who are trying to make more out of the rub than what it was. If that were the 88, 48, 24, 42, etc... no one would have a problem with a bump with 3/4 of a mile to go.
I'm going to stop now, mainly because defending the 18 for two pages is so wrong that I'm amazed I've done it. All I can hope for is that the tension can build for a few weeks and it all comes to a head in Fort Worth in April. It's been a while since I've seen some fireworks up close and personal.
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