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Latest documents released show malice by NCAA agsinst USC
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:48 pm
Court ordered more documents released that the NCAA fought long and hard to keep sealed. No luck NCAA. Now we have more evidence as to why. In short, two members who were, by NCAA rules, not to have an opinion or vote, lobbied the infractions committee hard for serious sanctions and showed malice. This is a no no.
Again, Howard is prohibited from commenting on the case to committee members.
Oh well, sanctions over anyway. But McNair will get paid big time.
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They include several highly opinionated emails sent to COI members by Roscoe Howard and Rodney Uphoff, who were involved in the case but who, by NCAA rule, were not allowed to participate in deliberations or influence the committee. Uphoff was the NCAA’s coordinator of appeals at the time; Howard was a COI member on his first case and was supposed to only observe the proceedings.
The documents include a letter dated Jan. 6, 2010, from former COI chair Paul Dee to then-USC president Steven Sample outlining Howard and Uphoff’s roles.
Most of the emails sent by Howard and Uphoff emerged in court documents released in March. Uphoff wrote in one message: “I fear that the committee is going to be too lenient on USC on the football violations. I think that would be a huge mistake.”
In an email dated May 10, 2010, Uphoff wrote: “As you know I favor strict penalties in this case” and “this case cries out for something dramatic.”
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In an email dated March 1, 2010, committee member Eleanor Myers questioned whether McNair lied to the committee and, if he didn’t, whether USC deserved to be charged with a lack of institutional control. Howard provided a lengthy rebuttal – a self-described “rant” – and outlined all the ways in which he believed McNair had lied. Citing the involvement of McNair and others in NCAA violations, Howard wrote: “Lack of institutional control … is a very easy call for me.”
Again, Howard is prohibited from commenting on the case to committee members.
Oh well, sanctions over anyway. But McNair will get paid big time.
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:49 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:50 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Ahh... the old "we were cheating but they caught our cheating by cheating and punished our cheating by cheating so please ignore that we were cheating b/c we were cheated" defense.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:51 pm to WestCoastAg
Oh I ain't crying. I hope he gets paid big time, even though he is scum. I am just glad it's over and we're back. Aren't you?
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:52 pm to LSUTANGERINE
no
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:53 pm to Dr RC
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Ahh... the old "we were cheating but they caught our cheating by cheating and punished our cheating by cheating so please ignore that we were cheating b/c we were cheated" defense.
No, it was the severity. If you took time to read, you wil see the original recommendations were a one year bowl ban and a loss of six schollies a years for 2-3 years. Either way, it's all water under the bride now fellow.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:54 pm to WestCoastAg
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no
Did not notice your team at first.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 9:55 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I hope those bitches try something against Tunsil and Ole Miss. We've bent them over the table the last two times they tried to screw us over. I hope we do it again.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:16 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Latest documents released show malice by NCAA agsinst USC
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:19 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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I am just glad it's over and we're back. Aren't you?
Define "Back"
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:36 pm to AZBayouBengal07
scholarships back to normal. SC will be absolutely loaded next year
This post was edited on 9/9/15 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:38 pm to LSUTANGERINE
My God... The fact USC fans wont let this go basically substabtiates the arrogance and defiance that the NCAA encountered when trying to conduct their investigation.
Oh... And I currently attend USC for grad school.
Oh... And I currently attend USC for grad school.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 12:42 am to LSUTANGERINE
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LSUTANGERINE
You have no idea what malice means.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 2:10 am to LSUTANGERINE
What is the most common statement made about USC and their NCAA penalties? Any casual college football fan will tell you that USC got slammed for paying their players. “USC paid Reggie Bush more than the Saints did his rookie year” etc. etc. This is a supposed to be funny, but I’ll tell you why I still find it intellectually insulting:
1) Reggie and his family didn’t actually receive that much money – probably something in the neighborhood of $50-$60k
2) Reggie was paid by sports marketers from San Diego with no affiliation to the university
3) USC received no benefit from the money Reggie took. The cash didn’t start coming until after his second season with the university, and Reggie left as soon as he could for the NFL (after his third season). So he didn’t attend USC because of the money, and he didn’t stay because of the money. If anything, it convinced him to leave as soon as possible.
4) The NCAA’s report on USC does not mention anyone from the university providing any special treatment to Reggie or his family. Rather, USC got punished for what the university should have known about one of its student-athletes while he was on the roster.
Let me repeat that for you – USC’s football team is on sanctions for what the NCAA says the school should have known about one of its 2,200 student-athletes’ interactions with individuals with no affiliations with the university (i.e. these guys are not even boosters).
Just to be clear, this is a new standard of oversight imposed by the NCAA with no previous precedent.
The NCAA says yes. The Infractions Committee that heard USC’s case, chaired by Paul Dee (remember that name), said in their report that “high profile players demand high profile compliance.”
Again, and I hope you’re picking up the theme here, this is a standard of oversight and monitoring that had never before been communicated by the NCAA. Literally, never. It’s not in a single NCAA bylaw.
Why? Because it doesn’t’ make sense. Who determines what is ‘high-profile’? Is the best player at Louisiana Tech ‘high profile’? What about Colorado State? Cal? Does an All-American water polo player fit that description, or just football and basketball players? Does it mean All-Conference? All-American? Should it be based on Lee Kiper’s mock drafts?
It’s an arbitrary qualitative assessment, and it’s impossible to enforce. High profile = USC was the best team in the land for a decade...and the SEC and NCAA run by Mike Silve were mad. USC was winning national titles and embarrassing Auburn and Arkansas.
NY Times
1) Reggie and his family didn’t actually receive that much money – probably something in the neighborhood of $50-$60k
2) Reggie was paid by sports marketers from San Diego with no affiliation to the university
3) USC received no benefit from the money Reggie took. The cash didn’t start coming until after his second season with the university, and Reggie left as soon as he could for the NFL (after his third season). So he didn’t attend USC because of the money, and he didn’t stay because of the money. If anything, it convinced him to leave as soon as possible.
4) The NCAA’s report on USC does not mention anyone from the university providing any special treatment to Reggie or his family. Rather, USC got punished for what the university should have known about one of its student-athletes while he was on the roster.
Let me repeat that for you – USC’s football team is on sanctions for what the NCAA says the school should have known about one of its 2,200 student-athletes’ interactions with individuals with no affiliations with the university (i.e. these guys are not even boosters).
Just to be clear, this is a new standard of oversight imposed by the NCAA with no previous precedent.
The NCAA says yes. The Infractions Committee that heard USC’s case, chaired by Paul Dee (remember that name), said in their report that “high profile players demand high profile compliance.”
Again, and I hope you’re picking up the theme here, this is a standard of oversight and monitoring that had never before been communicated by the NCAA. Literally, never. It’s not in a single NCAA bylaw.
Why? Because it doesn’t’ make sense. Who determines what is ‘high-profile’? Is the best player at Louisiana Tech ‘high profile’? What about Colorado State? Cal? Does an All-American water polo player fit that description, or just football and basketball players? Does it mean All-Conference? All-American? Should it be based on Lee Kiper’s mock drafts?
It’s an arbitrary qualitative assessment, and it’s impossible to enforce. High profile = USC was the best team in the land for a decade...and the SEC and NCAA run by Mike Silve were mad. USC was winning national titles and embarrassing Auburn and Arkansas.
NY Times
This post was edited on 9/10/15 at 2:27 am
Posted on 9/10/15 at 2:21 am to LSUTANGERINE
It's well known among armchair sleuths that Paul Dee cut a deal with Mike Slive to get USC out of the picture because the SEC couldn't beat them on the field of play.
Once Aubbie got bottled, Slive promised never again and vowed to get USC out of the way.
Since the SEC could never beat USC...
They had to resort to the NCAA.
Paul Dee was shady as shite and Slive has been known to be the most corrupt heavy-handed conniving commish in sports.
Once Aubbie got bottled, Slive promised never again and vowed to get USC out of the way.
Since the SEC could never beat USC...
They had to resort to the NCAA.
Paul Dee was shady as shite and Slive has been known to be the most corrupt heavy-handed conniving commish in sports.
This post was edited on 9/10/15 at 2:24 am
Posted on 9/10/15 at 6:21 am to LSUTANGERINE
When it comes to USC
Sympathy is nothing more than a word in the dictionary between shite and syphilis
Sympathy is nothing more than a word in the dictionary between shite and syphilis
Posted on 9/10/15 at 6:24 am to Dr RC
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Ahh... the old "we were cheating but they caught our cheating by cheating and punished our cheating by cheating so please ignore that we were cheating b/c we were cheated" defense.
+1
Posted on 9/10/15 at 6:37 am to Strongmindweakback
quote:Someone help me out here. Is this as idiotic as I think?
It's well known among armchair sleuths that Paul Dee cut a deal with Mike Slive to get USC out of the picture because the SEC couldn't beat them on the field of play.
Once Aubbie got bottled, Slive promised never again and vowed to get USC out of the way.
Since the SEC could never beat USC...
They had to resort to the NCAA.
Paul Dee was shady as shite and Slive has been known to be the most corrupt heavy-handed conniving commish in sports.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:00 am to LSUTANGERINE
Are you an LSU fan or a USC fan?
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:09 am to Dr RC
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Ahh... the old "we were cheating but they caught our cheating by cheating and punished our cheating by cheating so please ignore that we were cheating b/c we were cheated" defense.
You're right, let's ignore a compliance and governing organization's lack of compliance.
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