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re: Kirk Cousins or Matt Stafford?
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:01 pm to CovingtonTigre
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:01 pm to CovingtonTigre
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I didn’t make it anything. I said mediocre talent. How you interpreted it is on you.
More like you make a dumb and hyperbolic statement and get annoyed people interpret it as such.
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Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:03 pm to Rize
Probably but he has to prove it this yr. For having less playoff wins then Tebow while playing with Megatron for some years. Like I said SF is built ready to win. All on him. Great supporting cast of skill players. need to stay healthy tho
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:14 pm to 1BamaRTR
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More like you make a dumb and hyperbolic statement
Saying they are both average nfl qbs is not dumb and hyperbolic.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:32 pm to CovingtonTigre
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Saying they are both average nfl qbs is not dumb and hyperbolic.
Saying they are both mediocre talents is.
When one says Aaron Donald is the best DT in the league. They don’t just mean best among starters. He’s best overall.
And it’s not like there’s a set 32 starting QBs year in and out. Some teams have backups more talented then some teams’ starters. So you can’t compare them to just 30 other QBs.
Hell they’re not even consistently average. Some years they’re average, other years they are top 10 or even higher.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:46 pm to 1BamaRTR
The answer, no matter how much people don't like it, is Cousins.
PFF had a tweet that was absolutely blasting the Chiefs-- essentially, if you remember the pressure Mahomes faced in the Super Bowl--- the thing that it most closely resembled statistically in pro football last year? The pass protection of the Minnesota Vikings for the entire 2020 season. And Cousins was still a Top 10ish QB, statistically.
PFF had a tweet that was absolutely blasting the Chiefs-- essentially, if you remember the pressure Mahomes faced in the Super Bowl--- the thing that it most closely resembled statistically in pro football last year? The pass protection of the Minnesota Vikings for the entire 2020 season. And Cousins was still a Top 10ish QB, statistically.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:53 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Saying they are both mediocre talents is
Look up the definition of mediocrity. We already had this discussion earlier.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 10:40 pm to CovingtonTigre
quote:I’m not talking about that.
Look up the definition of mediocrity. We already had this discussion earlier.
Since this is going nowhere, explain to me how someone that has had a number of seasons as a top 10 (or sometimes higher) QB, is a consistently mediocre talent?
Posted on 6/25/21 at 10:47 pm to 1BamaRTR
Why is it eating your arse that I called Stafford & Cousins mediocre/average qbs?
Will you be happy if I admit, to the original point of this thread, that I’d take Stafford over Cousins no question?
Will you be happy if I admit, to the original point of this thread, that I’d take Stafford over Cousins no question?
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 11:12 pm to CovingtonTigre
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Why is it eating your arse that I called Stafford & Cousins mediocre/average qbs?
Isn’t it the point of message boards to argue with people on things you don’t agree with?
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Will you be happy if I admit
I wouldn’t be happy or sad regardless of what you say. I'm just interested to see the justification for your claim
Posted on 6/25/21 at 11:29 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Isn’t it the point of message boards to argue with people on things you don’t agree with?
You know what…fair point. I agree.
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I wouldn’t be happy or sad regardless of what you say. I'm just interested to see the justification for your claim
My justification is that both are 33 year old qbs that cost to much money & need to much help to achieve those occasional top 10 seasons you mentioned.
Many teams would be happy to have them, & I think the Rams got a good deal when they got Stafford.
However I don’t think either are the qb u can add to any team & become an above average offense regardless of the talent around them.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 11:36 pm to CovingtonTigre
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However I don’t think either are the qb u can add to any team & become an above average offense regardless of the talent around them.
I feel like only the elite QBs are good enough to make up for things like a shitty OL, bad receivers, and no run game.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 11:48 pm to 1BamaRTR
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I feel like only the elite QBs are good enough to make up for things like a shitty OL, bad receivers, and no run game.
So you don’t think they are elite but disagree with me calling them average.
How do you want to describe them?
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:17 am to CovingtonTigre
Again I’m talking about starters here, and I took problem with you calling them average talents. Because saying starters means just comparing the starters. But everyone including the backups have some degree of talent. So when you said average talents, I was factoring in every QB. But there’s no point in going further about that since we were going nowhere with it. That was just my line of thinking behind it.
So in your mind there is nothing in between elite and average?
Elite QBs to me are the sure fire HOF guys. Guys who have been among the top 3 to 5 QBs multiple years. Very few QBs are going be in that category. I would put both of them in the good but not great category. Or at the very least as above average starters.
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So you don’t think they are elite but disagree with me calling them average.
How do you want to describe them?
So in your mind there is nothing in between elite and average?
Elite QBs to me are the sure fire HOF guys. Guys who have been among the top 3 to 5 QBs multiple years. Very few QBs are going be in that category. I would put both of them in the good but not great category. Or at the very least as above average starters.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:27 am to 1BamaRTR
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So in your mind there is nothing in between elite and average?
Jesus Christ have we been going round & round on average vs above average?
I’m disappointed in both of us.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:30 am to CovingtonTigre
Stafford has played for the damn lions.
Dude is gas and been elite in the small moments they gave him weapons. He’s never had a decent OL.
He’s a lot better than we think imo.
Dude is gas and been elite in the small moments they gave him weapons. He’s never had a decent OL.
He’s a lot better than we think imo.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:32 am to CovingtonTigre
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Jesus Christ have we been going round & round on average vs above average?
I think they’re capable of being top 10 caliber QBs. You think they’re more 15-18 range. There is a noticeable difference between the 2 levels.
And our round and round was based on our different perceptions of your “talent” definition
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:45 am to 1BamaRTR
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think they’re capable of being top 10 caliber QBs.
Yes they are both capable of that, and if the stars align even higher.
Do you think either are gonna give you top 10 seasons for 3 years in a row?
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:55 am to BigOrangeWave
Stafford is an absolute stud QB. Cousins is serviceable but Stafford is elite.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 1:36 am to BigOrangeWave
Stafford by a fricking mile
Posted on 6/26/21 at 9:01 am to CovingtonTigre
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Do you think either are gonna give you top 10 seasons for 3 years in a row?
I think they have the talent to do so which is what I was arguing about. Obviously doesn’t mean it’s going to happen but I think there’s a chance
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