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re: Is now the time for the Big 12 to add a Title game?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:12 pm to castorinho
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:12 pm to castorinho
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What's the point of them playing again?
Is this serious?
Another quality win? You know, the thing the committee ranks the teams by?
To act like not having a championship game could in no way potentially hurt the conference is incredibly naive.
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:17 pm to BayouBengals03
Dude if they have a championship game, they would reduce the number of conference games to 8. So it's just a matter of the league anticipating who will be at the top of the conference and scheduling those games accordingly. OU-OSU will always be that weekend and Baylor-K State could have been a de facto CCG had K State beaten TCU.
You're widely overestimating the impact of a CCG.
You're widely overestimating the impact of a CCG.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:19 pm to castorinho
Every other major conference has one 
When Baylor and TCU win out, and the Big 12 is left out of the playoff, they'll be begging two more teams to join the conference so they can have one.
When Baylor and TCU win out, and the Big 12 is left out of the playoff, they'll be begging two more teams to join the conference so they can have one.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:22 pm to rocket31
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Yep, this year for example a conference title game could frick over FSU who should be sitting pretty in the clubhouse at 12-0 but instead theyll need to win one more game vs Duke/GT.
Yep. Ask Tennessee in 2001. K state in 99.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:22 pm to BayouBengals03
It won't be because of lack of CCG 
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:25 pm to castorinho
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:56 pm to castorinho
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Are you stupid?
Oklahoma State played #12 OU and blew them out on championship Saturday while Alabama was sitting at home.
How the frick would have a championship game helped?
They would've played 10-2 Kansas State again. 12-1 > 11-1.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:19 am to castorinho
Once Ohio State jumps TCU and Baylor for the final spot in the playoff, the committee will be sending a clear message to the Big 12 that they are not on the same level playing field as the other P5 conference by not having a conference championship game. I said this about a month ago and i'll say it again, the Big 12 will actually be 12 and maybe even 14 teams again very very soon. From the very beginning the selection committee said they will value a conference championship. That should have been a clear warining sign to the Big 12. Add a combination of BYU, Cincinnati, Colorado St or Boise St...add a title game and this wont happen.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:08 am to cardswinagain
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After seeing TCU fall in the ranking
They barely beat a horrible Kansas team. Screw'em.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:09 am to Buckeye Backer
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Once Ohio State jumps TCU and Baylor for the final spot in the playoff
The committee has made it clear that the Big 12 is a better conference than the Big 10.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:10 am to Buckeye Backer
They shouldn't penalize the B12 teams for being in a 10 team conference. If Baylor drops a game, TCU is the outright conference champ, and the committee likes TCU's resume better...they should take TCU. I think a conference champ who played everyone is in some ways better than a 14 team conference champ who may have benefited by lucky schedule rotation. But, I would have no problem with OSU being in over Moo St., if Moo St. doesn't win the conference. That is going to be a heck of a fight -- I already see a thread on the Rant that ESPN is pushing OSU.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:18 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:yes...it burned Tennessee in 2001, but it has helped SEC teams more than it has hurt in the last 10 years.
This cuts both ways and the championship game can frick you over, too
I would prefer conferences of 10 teams, with everyone playing each other. It is the best way to determine a champion. I wish the Big 5 would re-organize into six 10-team conferences.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:25 am to Chicken
If Ohio St wins out, they are going to make it over TCU or Baylor. Everyone is saying that if Baylor wins out, they will jump TCU....well Ohio St just jumped Baylor and Ohio St has the biggest game left between them. I seriously believe if it comes down to Ohio St vs Big 12...the Big 12 is out. Also, if WVU beats Kansas St, its over for the Big 12.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 8:26 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:37 am to cardswinagain
Not having a title game cost Okie state in 2011 (irionically if OU had won that game all the "experts" said a 1 loss Oklahoma would jump Bama, but not OSU 
) and cost KSU from even being in the discussion in 2012. So it would not surprise me if the lack of a conference championship game costs TCU. However, I think Ohio State jumps MSU at the last minute nobody that matters (ESPN, ad ppl, etc) want to see a one loss non SEC champ MSU over a one loss big ten champ OSU.
Big 12 should add Cincy and BYU and be done with it.
) and cost KSU from even being in the discussion in 2012. So it would not surprise me if the lack of a conference championship game costs TCU. However, I think Ohio State jumps MSU at the last minute nobody that matters (ESPN, ad ppl, etc) want to see a one loss non SEC champ MSU over a one loss big ten champ OSU. Big 12 should add Cincy and BYU and be done with it.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 8:40 am to Buckeye Backer
Ohio State shouldn't jump a one loss TCU. Losing at home to VT is unacceptable
Either way, I expect TCU to lose to Tejas.
Either way, I expect TCU to lose to Tejas.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 8:43 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:01 am to Buckeye Backer
quote:you will still have a conference champion even without a championship game. The Big 12 will have a conference champ, based on record and any tie breakers after that.
From the very beginning the selection committee said they will value a conference championship. That should have been a clear warining sign to the Big 12
I do not think the committee meant it would value conference championship games, just that in comparing two equal resumes but one team is the champion of its conference (with or without a CCG) it will get the bump above a team that did not win its conference.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:04 am to Chicken
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yes...it burned Tennessee in 2001, but it has helped SEC teams more than it has hurt in the last 10 years.
I would prefer conferences of 10 teams, with everyone playing each other. It is the best way to determine a champion.quote:
I wish the Big 5 would re-organize into six 10-team conferences.
The SEC should go back to what it was before 92.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:07 am to PJinAtl
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you will still have a conference champion even without a championship game. The Big 12 will have a conference champ, based on record and any tie breakers after that.
There's no tie-breakers. All the teams with similar conf records are co-champs.
The tie-breakers are used to determine the team that will be the Conf representative in "BCS" games, or whatever they're called now.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:41 am to castorinho
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Dude if they have a championship game, they would reduce the number of conference games to 8.
why would that automatically be the case?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 9:52 am to Buckeye Backer
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Once Ohio State jumps TCU and Baylor for the final spot in the playoff, the committee will be sending a clear message to the Big 12 that they are not on the same level playing field as the other P5 conference by not having a conference championship game. I said this about a month ago and i'll say it again, the Big 12 will actually be 12 and maybe even 14 teams again very very soon. From the very beginning the selection committee said they will value a conference championship. That should have been a clear warining sign to the Big 12. Add a combination of BYU, Cincinnati, Colorado St or Boise St...add a title game and this wont happen.
What is the fricking point of having a championship game if all teams already play eachother
If anything the 14 team 8 game conference scheudle is bullshite because the good teams have a good chance of dodging each other and each team in conference will average 4 losses instead of 4.5 in the 9 game round robin.
Mississippi State got to play Vandy/Kentucky and dodged Mizzou/Georgia.
Ohio State didn't have to play Nebraska or Wisconsin.
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