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re: Is LeBron the most clutch player in the NBA?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:54 am to The Pirate King
Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:54 am to The Pirate King
quote:
When Lebron was bricking shots in the clutch
when was that? I must have missed it
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:55 am to AU_251
Also, I still don't believe clutch exists
Have you noticed who everyone is saying is the most clutch? It happens to be the same people that are simply the best players.....
Have you noticed who everyone is saying is the most clutch? It happens to be the same people that are simply the best players.....
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:05 pm to AU_251
Brandon Roy most clutch of all time
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:06 pm to LilWezyAna
quote:
LeBron isn't even the most clutch player on his team
Lol Kyrie hit one shot.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:11 pm to AU_251
Here is Kawhi's 4th quarter stats this series.
34 Minutes
44 Points
FG 15-22 (68.2 %)
3P 5-6 (83.3 %)
FT 9-9 (100 %)
34 Minutes
44 Points
FG 15-22 (68.2 %)
3P 5-6 (83.3 %)
FT 9-9 (100 %)
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:26 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
quote:
Here is Kawhi's 4th quarter stats this series. 34 Minutes 44 Points FG 15-22 (68.2 %) 3P 5-6 (83.3 %) FT 9-9 (100 %)
Holy cow. Is he still perfect from the line this series?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:37 pm to redfishfan
Unfortunately, no. He missed one last game.
He is 47-48 from the line.
He is 47-48 from the line.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:45 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
quote:
He missed one last game.
Had to miss one to appear human.
Kawhibot AI is getting sneaky.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:12 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:22 pm to smash williams
quote:That link shows Lebron much better than Kobe fwiw.
Also from one of your links.
Like wayyyyyyyyy better than Kobe.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:52 pm to smash williams
You think Kobe scoring .8 points more than Lebron makes up for the 10% shooting difference, 2% 3pt difference, 6 rebound difference, 7 assist difference, 2 block difference, 2.5 steal difference?
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:57 pm to shel311
quote:Yeah in 8 fewer shots, it has LeBron scoring only 0.8 fewer points with a 10% higher field goal percentage.
That link shows Lebron much better than Kobe fwiw.
Like wayyyyyyyyy better than Kobe.
Not to mention, 5.9 more rebounds, 6.7 more assists, 1.7 more blocks, and 2.5 more steals. Kobe does have a better turnover average (3.0 v. 4.8); however, his assist to turnover of 1.9 was well below LeBron's 2.63.
Altogether, if an assist is worth say 2.2 points, LeBron would account for 87.4 points compared to Kobe's 69.2--a difference of more than 18 points.
I really hope smash didn't post that thinking it was favorable to Kobe because it so clearly not.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:06 pm to The Pirate King
quote:
When Lebron was bricking shots in the clutch his fanboys on here spent thread after thread claiming that "clutch" didn't exist and was a made up thing for TV ratings.
To me the biggest problem of the past is that a superior "clutch" factor was ascribed to Kobe Bryant when he didn't really deserve it more than Lebron based on the number of "clutch" moments each guy had.
To this day that line of thinking persists. There's this legend of Kobe that is just not supported by facts.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:13 pm to buckeye_vol
I'm not comparing him to Lebron. 
Those analytics breakdown clutch with 5 minutes left in tight ball games. The original link was posted by someone saying Kobe is the least clutch guy and is a bad comparison for what Kawhi's offensive game and demeanor has become.
Those analytics breakdown clutch with 5 minutes left in tight ball games. The original link was posted by someone saying Kobe is the least clutch guy and is a bad comparison for what Kawhi's offensive game and demeanor has become.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:21 pm to smash williams
quote:Compared to other superstars, Kobe is not clutch. He misses at a higher rate, which your link actually proves......
The original link was posted by someone saying Kobe is the least clutch guy
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:33 pm to lsupride87
Joe Johnson all day every day.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:35 pm to shel311
quote:
shel311
Just WOULdnt be a Lebron thread without some slurping from ye.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:39 pm to smash williams
quote:He's clearly not the least clutch guy, but those statistics don't really show that he's anything special.
Those analytics breakdown clutch with 5 minutes left in tight ball games. The original link was posted by someone saying Kobe is the least clutch guy and is a bad comparison for what Kawhi's offensive game and demeanor has become.
I mean that was his third most efficient shooting season, yet of the top 20 point scorers on that list, he is only 14th in FG% and 15th in points per shot. He also shot lower from the field than his season average (his 3% was higher though). His assist, rebound, steal, and block totals were lower than his season average given the same amount of time.
So he's not the "least" clutch by any means, but he's also not anywhere near the "most" clutch either. Just like his overall career, his cluthness is largely overrated since people often rank him at the top when he should be high, but at the top by any means.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:53 pm to razorbackfan4life
quote:Incidentally, from those 2008-2009 clutch statistics linked above, of the 50 top point scorers, Johnson's shooting percentage was 47th, almost 11% lower than the top 50's average, and 7.2% lower than his own season average.
Joe Johnson all day every day.
So we may not be able to determine whether clutch exists from that data, but if anybody is anti-clutch, it's Joe Johnson--at least for that season.
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