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Inconsistency with CFP rankings (Mainly how the 4 loss teams are ranked)
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:56 am
I'm sure a lot of this has been covered especially on the top 10 teams, but I am really confused about the bottom half of the rankings.
Florida loses 2 straight games to end the season and falls 2 spots.
Louisville falls 6 spots after losing to Houston and falls 2 spots after losing to Kentucky at home. They fell 8 spots total after consecutive losses.
Michigan loses 2 out of last 3 and fall 2 spots.
Tennessee loses to Vandy and falls 5 spots.
LSU holds Bama to 10 points and falls 11 spots.
4 loss teams:
14 Auburn 1 win over top 25 team, 2 losses to unranked teams
17 Florida 1 win over top 25 team, 1 loss to unranked team
19 Utah 1 win over top 25, 2 losses to unranked
20 LSU 0 wins over top 25, but all 4 losses are to ranked teams.
21 Tennessee 2 wins over 25, 3 losses to unranked.
22 Va Tech 1 win over top 25, 2 losses to unranked
23 Pitt, 2 wins over TOP 5 teams, 2 losses to unranked.
How in the world is Pitt the lowest ranked 4 loss team?
Florida loses 2 straight games to end the season and falls 2 spots.
Louisville falls 6 spots after losing to Houston and falls 2 spots after losing to Kentucky at home. They fell 8 spots total after consecutive losses.
Michigan loses 2 out of last 3 and fall 2 spots.
Tennessee loses to Vandy and falls 5 spots.
LSU holds Bama to 10 points and falls 11 spots.
4 loss teams:
14 Auburn 1 win over top 25 team, 2 losses to unranked teams
17 Florida 1 win over top 25 team, 1 loss to unranked team
19 Utah 1 win over top 25, 2 losses to unranked
20 LSU 0 wins over top 25, but all 4 losses are to ranked teams.
21 Tennessee 2 wins over 25, 3 losses to unranked.
22 Va Tech 1 win over top 25, 2 losses to unranked
23 Pitt, 2 wins over TOP 5 teams, 2 losses to unranked.
How in the world is Pitt the lowest ranked 4 loss team?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:06 am to Oddibe
Stop trying to make sense of the rankings. You can't.
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:06 am to Oddibe
In my opinion the committee was a decent idea for ranking the top 4.
They suck at creating a top 25.
They suck at creating a top 25.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:08 am to Oddibe
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Florida loses 2 straight games to end the season and falls 2 spots.
And Florida got absolutely worked by FSU. Didn't even score an offensive touchdown.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:13 am to Oddibe
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Michigan loses 2 out of last 3 and fall 2 spots
Dude it's called context. Michigan pretty much dominated OSU for 3 quarters, fumbled at the goal line and people think lost on a bad spot...to a team the voters think is #2.
Hell a few voters kept Michigan ahead of OSU on eye test.
Sometimes a win doesn't count much with the voters as we saw with OSU/PSU.
The only head scratcher this year is LSU plummeting after holding Bama to 10 points.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:20 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Tenn should not be ranked.
They fricking suck.
They fricking suck.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:21 am to Oddibe
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How in the world is Pitt the lowest ranked 4 loss team?
Their name.
AU and TENN are probably the two biggest jokes. I have no idea why they are still in the top 25.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:22 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Why is there not a double standard for bad wins? OSU gets the benefit of the doubt against PSU, but OSU doesn't get penalized for playing bad teams close. You can't have it both ways. That is where the "eye test" and subjective reasoning comes into play and generally only benefits the "blue bloods" and media favorites.
Sometimes a win doesn't count much with the voters as we saw with OSU/PSU.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:14 pm to Oddibe
quote:
23 Pitt, 2 wins over TOP 5 teams, 2 losses to unranked.
How in the world is Pitt the lowest ranked 4 loss team?
Sagarin says Pitt's other opponents were not very good. He has Pitt at #29
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:28 pm to Oddibe
You need to get the notion of falling X spots out of your head. It's not the AP poll. They rank teams from scratch every single week.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:30 pm to Oddibe
I'm usually ok with the way the committee has ranked the top 4 or so teams. . .
(You can certainly argue details but it's also not that they rank the Top 4 that differently than the BCS and probably the vast majority of fans.)
However, I completely agree about how inconsistently they rank every team outside the potential playoff contenders.
It seems as though they are very keen to "do more" than the old polls in considering actual quality wins, strength of schedule etc etc when ranking to playoff contenders but just kind of throw that out the window and do about like the AP poll etc once they get past those top few teams.
Pittsburgh is a perfect example and there have been similar examples from every poll they've made so far.
An added irony is that when they rank the top teams based on resume where wins against Top25 foes is so important, it can potentially "filter up" when you don't do such a thorough job on the bottom of the Top25. It's already arbitrary enough that beating team #25 at home seems better than beating #26 on the road.
(You can certainly argue details but it's also not that they rank the Top 4 that differently than the BCS and probably the vast majority of fans.)
However, I completely agree about how inconsistently they rank every team outside the potential playoff contenders.
It seems as though they are very keen to "do more" than the old polls in considering actual quality wins, strength of schedule etc etc when ranking to playoff contenders but just kind of throw that out the window and do about like the AP poll etc once they get past those top few teams.
Pittsburgh is a perfect example and there have been similar examples from every poll they've made so far.
An added irony is that when they rank the top teams based on resume where wins against Top25 foes is so important, it can potentially "filter up" when you don't do such a thorough job on the bottom of the Top25. It's already arbitrary enough that beating team #25 at home seems better than beating #26 on the road.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:44 pm to Oddibe
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how the 4 loss teams are ranked
why would anyone gives the slightest frick about how the 4-loss teams are ranked?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:48 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The only head scratcher this year is LSU plummeting after holding Bama to 10 points
Makes no sense to me either but you can't talk about it around here because the lsu fans are pissed because of the coaching situation and everyone else just calls you a homer or says 'who cares?' for mentioning it
Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:12 pm to CelticDog
quote:To make my point he also has Tennessee ranked 37th.
Sagarin says Pitt's other opponents were not very good. He has Pitt at #29
Tennessee lost to (2) 6-6 and 1 8-4 unranked teams and both of Pitts unranked losses were to 8-4 teams one which was Miami which Sagarin has ranked 20th.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:29 pm to WG_Dawg
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why would anyone gives the slightest frick about how the 4-loss teams are ranked?
Maybe because the highest ranked SEC team goes to the Sugar Bowl and this year all of the teams eligible had 4 losses?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:46 pm to Oddibe
quote:Seriously? The higher Pitt is ranked, the better PSU looks. The higher Pitt is ranked, the less people can scream, "BUT THEY LOST TO PITT ON THE ROAD IN A RIVALRY GAME IN WEEK WHATEVER BY 3!"
How in the world is Pitt the lowest ranked 4 loss team?
No way the committee was going to do anything to make PSU look better.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 2:50 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner! And why the "eye test" always benefits the blue bloods and media darlings.
No way the committee was going to do anything to make PSU look better.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:22 pm to ReauxlTide222
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No way the committee was going to do anything to make PSU look better.
I don't believe the conspiracy theories and don't necessarily think Penn St should have been in the playoff.
However, the committee's ranking of some of their opponents is certainly low.
It's already been mentioned how much better Pittsburgh's resume looks compared to the other 4 loss teams.
I would add that Iowa is ranked in both the AP --absurdly above Pitt as well -- and Coaches' Poll.
Not sure how the committee really weighs all the schedules.
However, for the 10,000 times I saw the schedules of Ohio St or Washington vs Penn St posted on this board last week, I'm haven't seen nearly as much about how Penn St actually played six Top25 opponents -- if Iowa is in the Top25 like the AP and Coaches have it -- whereas Ohio St and Washington only played four.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:34 pm to wm72
quote:According to Sagarin, PSU went 4-2 against Top 30, Wash 4-1 and OSU 3-1. Which is interesting because OSU schedule strength was 7, Wash 41 and PSU 16th. Which means OSU played higher ranked bad teams. Is there really a difference in playing the 45th best vs the 60th best team?
However, for the 10,000 times I've seen the schedules of Ohio St schedule or Washington vs Penn St posted on this board, I'm not sure I've seen posted that often how Penn St actually played 6 Top25 opponents -- if Iowa is in the Top25 like the AP and Coaches have it -- whereas Ohio St and Washington played 4.
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