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If you need a reason to hate the bowl system

Posted on 11/23/10 at 9:45 pm
Posted by bisceaux
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Posted on 11/23/10 at 9:45 pm
Does It Matter? by Austin Murphy & Dan Wetzel

Probably Germans but I searched the threads and didn't see this posted - LINK

Very interesting read and although I had always heard that the bowl "money" was what was keeping us from a playoff, I had never read a piece that put it all together like this one does.

I'm just posting a piece of this, you should read the whole thing. It is long but a really good read. Enjoy!!!



Today's exercise is not to advocate for a playoff (although we do present a perfectly good one above). Rather, let us shine a light on the people blocking reform—the smiling, backslapping, money-making traditionalists heavily invested in the status quo.

Representing this cartel at Saturday's game in Salt Lake City, and rocking a migraine-inducing array of strident blazers, were 10 bowl representatives, who took up most of row 3 in the press box at Rice-Eccles Stadium. They were chipper, and why not? Working for bowls is a great gig, if you can get it. You're not exactly planning a moon shot. You're putting on one game a year. Yet the money is excellent, even for such inconsequential games as the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, whose executive director, Gary Cavalli, is unlikely to go hungry, having pocketed $377,475 in 2009. Cavalli, of course, is a bargain compared with Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan, who made $607,500 in fiscal 2007. Coming in just behind Hoolahan is John Junker, who is president and CEO of the Fiesta and Insight.com bowls. Junker's salary is nearly $600,000; in addition, three times he's taken out zero-interest loans from the Fiesta Bowl, which he has since repaid.
Not to worry about the bowls, they can afford to pay those salaries and perks. The Sugar Bowl finished 2007 with $37 million in assets and turned an $11.6 million profit. What's more, the Sugar Bowl accepted $3 million from the Louisiana state government—this a year before it was announced that the state was running a $341 million shortfall in its budget.

Yes, the bowls are doing very well, thank you. Though the majority of bowl games enjoy tax-free, not-for-profit status with the IRS, it's a misleading designation. There is plenty of profit involved. Cash-rich bowl execs spend lavishly on travel, parties, political consultants and, of course, their own salaries.



Of the 120 athletic departments that play I-A football, 106 lost money in 2009, according to an NCAA report



Not only are the I-A presidents leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table by forgoing a playoff, but by outsourcing their most lucrative product (postseason football), they're also handing over more than half the profits—money that could replace tax dollars in the balancing of public schools' athletic department budgets.

Ask Iowa. Halftime entertainment at the Jan. 1, 2009, Outback Bowl was provided by the Hawkeye Marching Band. And how did the Tampa Bay Bowl Association, which runs the game, thank the band for that gratis performance? By charging the university $65 a head for each of the 346 band members. According to university records submitted to the NCAA, the school was forced to purchase face-value tickets totaling $22,490 for the band, even though the game wasn't sold out.

Very few bowls do, in fact, sell out. Aware of this, their directors require a ticket commitment, which obligates the purchase of thousands of tickets at face value. Schools must then resell those tickets or risk losses that can run into seven figures. Before Internet ticket sites democratized the market, the deal made sense to the participating schools. Now, for all but the biggest games, fans can avoid paying full price—as they must when they go through the school's ticket office. Tickets to the 2009 Music City Bowl were available on StubHub for 19 cents.

The commitment guarantees only one thing: the fattening of the bowls' profit margins. For their appearance in the 2009 Orange Bowl, Virginia Tech and the ACC agreed to purchase 17,500 tickets at $125 per seat, but they could sell only 3,342, according to university documents. The result: a $1.77 million bath for the school, not the bowl.

Ohio State ate $1.01 million in unsold tickets at the 2009 Fiesta Bowl. Smaller bowls do similar damage to schools thrilled by a mere invitation. The euphoria of playing in the postseason quickly wore off for Western Michigan two years ago when the Broncos' athletic department was able to unload only 548 of the 11,000 tickets it was required to purchase by the good folks at the Texas Bowl. Western Michigan's loss of $462,535 (before adding in travel and lodging costs) probably hurt more than its subsequent 38--14 defeat at the hands of Rice.

Paying full price for unused seats in half-filled stadiums is just one of the ways bowls stick it to desperate universities, like unscrupulous undertakers who see that their clients are compromised and turn the screws. Preoccupied with perception, recruiting and job security, athletic department officials are in a poor bargaining position. They tend to agree to anything. Like paying $65 a head for the band.

Yes, you may be saying to yourself, but what about the big bowls, the major BCS games like the Fiesta, Rose, Sugar and Orange bowls? Surely the teams who play in those get lucrative bowl payouts? And, in fact, Ohio State earned $18.5 million for making it to the Rose Bowl in January 2010. That's a serious boost to any team's bottom line.

So it would have been, if the Buckeyes actually got to keep the money, which they did not. The $18.5 million went to the Big Ten, where it was added to a pool of bowl revenue that was then sliced into 12 shares—one for each team, one for the league office. That still left Ohio State with a tidy $2.2 million to spend, which the Buckeyes did. Ohio State's team travel costs were $352,727. Unsold tickets ran the school a cool $144,710. The bill to transport, feed and lodge the band and cheerleaders came to $366,814. Throw in entertainment, gifts and sundry other expenses, and the Buckeyes lost $79,597.

Why do the schools put up with this? Why are universities so willing to engage in what WAC commissioner Karl Benson deemed "bad business deals?" Because it works out nicely for coaches, who land tidy bonuses for even minor-bowl glory. ADs, too, reap a windfall for a bowl invite. The going rate: one month's extra salary for an appearance in even the lowliest game. Oregon's Rob Mullens receives $50,000 if the Ducks go bowling. Kentucky's Mitch Barnhart collects $30,000.

"A few years ago our ADs came to me and said, 'You've got to start some bowls,' " Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson says. "I said, 'You'll lose money.' They [each] said, 'I don't care.' "

The truth is that the lower-tier bowls exist because athletic directors are willing to prop them up (in the process forfeiting their universities' money), and because most conferences pool all their bowl payouts, using the bigger-money BCS games to cover the losses incurred in the smaller games. Thus does the Rose Bowl help subsidize the Little Caesars Pizza Bowl—a bowl bailout system that indeed spreads the wealth. Bowl directors privately admit that fewer than half the bowls could survive without the financial support from the schools.

Meanwhile, the sad sack programs that fail to qualify for a bowl often end up in the best financial position. As former Michigan AD Bill Martin said after the 2009 season, "The fact we didn't go to a bowl game the last two years means we actually made money."

This post was edited on 11/24/10 at 7:10 am
Posted by bisceaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
606 posts
Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:11 am to
There, I changed the title. Someone might read this article now.
This post was edited on 11/24/10 at 7:13 am
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43575 posts
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:00 am to
nobody needs a reason to hate the bcs... everyone already does. 1 out of 10 people support the bcs.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59107 posts
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:08 am to
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Of the 120 athletic departments that play I-A football, 106 lost money in 2009, according to an NCAA report


This is so misleading. Athletic Dept lose money because only 2 sports bring in revenue. Football and Mens basketball and football brings in the most, so they are not losing money in the AD because of bowls but because of all the costs associated with all the sports.

They also seem to be looking at how much each team makes from its bowl. Well, they have to share that with the other teams in their conference, but they also get money from other bowls. So Iowa lost money on the Outback Bowl, they also got money from the Rose Bowl and all the other bowls Big 10 teams played in that year.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:11 am to
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nobody needs a reason to hate the bcs... everyone already does.


There is a difference between the bowls and the BCS. The irony is if there were not bowl games, your beloved Boise would never be where they are. They built their rep winning bowls. No bowls, no Fiesta for Boise. No Fiesta Bowl miricle, no way do they get the hype they've been getting.

Think the little guys get no shot now? Go ahead and get rid of the bowls, have a playoff and watch how much more money the SEC and Big 10 get and say goodbye to mid majors.
This post was edited on 11/24/10 at 9:18 am
Posted by Rockerbraves
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Posted on 11/24/10 at 9:42 am to
Good read. Thanks
Posted by bisceaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
606 posts
Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:38 pm to
> Of the 120 athletic departments that play I-A
> football, 106 lost money in 2009, according to
> an NCAA report

Yes, I did take that one sentence out of context. Here are the other 2 paragraphs:

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Of the 120 athletic departments that play I-A football, 106 lost money in 2009, according to an NCAA report. Budget shortfalls forced the University of California in September to cut five sports. Virginia hit up students for $11.9 million in fees for the 2008--09 school year to offset athletic department operating expenses. Cincinnati reached two consecutive BCS bowls and still found itself $24 million in debt. All over the country, schools are turning to student fees, academic funds and taxpayer support to balance the athletic department's books, which helps explain the uptick in so-called pay games (Hey, LSU, good luck this Saturday against Louisiana-Monroe!), conference realignments and expansion of the men's basketball tournament.

In the teeth of the worst economic downturn in several generations, it stands to reason that university presidents might look favorably on ideas that could dramatically raise revenue. Speaking to Congress in 2005, no less staunch a playoff opponent than Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany estimated that "an NFL-style football playoff would generate three or four times" more than "the current system does." That could mean an estimated $700 million to $800 million annually to be distributed among the I-A conferences.
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After reading this, I bet next year's parking fees are being setup to cover our hopeful BCS Sugar Bowl game :-)

I'm still stunned that the university presidents would walk away from all of this potential money, just to keep the balance of power shifted to the big conferences.

I think I am now officially on board with Wetzel's 16 team playoff with including all conferences champions included and 5 at large teams. I think the SEC would continue to win in the playoff systems, with LSU getting a shot every 3-5 years.

Now I just need to figure out how to become an executive director of a major bowl before they are gone :-)
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:43 pm to
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After reading this, I bet next year's parking fees are being setup to cover our hopeful BCS Sugar Bowl game :-)


More likely to pay for baseball, softball, tennis, golf, swimming & diving, girls basketball, gymnastics, soccer, and volleyball
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Minnesota
Member since Jan 2005
45569 posts
Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:44 pm to
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I think I am now officially on board with Wetzel's 16 team playoff with including all conferences champions included and 5 at large teams.


what a horrible, horrible idea that is, and what a disservice it will do to CFB
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59107 posts
Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:49 pm to
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Yes, I did take that one sentence out of context. Here are the other 2 paragrap


Its still out of context, college athletic departments are non profits. All sports besides 2 lose money. What would Cincinnati's P/L look like if they eliminated all sports programs except football and men's basketball? Or what would it be with out the BCS money?
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n NFL-style football playoff would generate three or four times" more than "the current system does." That could mean an estimated $700 million to $800 million annually to be distributed among the I-A conferences.


The funny thing about that is most of it would go to the Big ie BCS conferences. You think a playoff is gonna be better for the Sun Belt and MAC or the Big 10 and SEC?
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Minnesota
Member since Jan 2005
45569 posts
Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:53 pm to
Most schools don't even make that much off of basketball. A few years back I know that LSU lost money with men's basketball

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The funny thing about that is most of it would go to the Big ie BCS conferences. You think a playoff is gonna be better for the Sun Belt and MAC or the Big 10 and SEC?


I don't see why more people don't get this, especially those who want home games in the early rounds
Posted by Vood
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Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:55 pm to
I love the BCS and so do the University Presidents. In Fact I would love to see everyone but the BCS Auto qualifying schools go and form a play off and see how that works for them.

Let ESPN foot the bill for it. I sure as hell won't watch it. Everyone talks about how great BSU is, but the reality TCU and BSU need the big boys more than they need them.

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59107 posts
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:21 pm to
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I don't see why more people don't get this, especially those who want home games in the early rounds



I would guess the small schools get it because I think that playoff format is way more popular with the media and fans and not being pushed by the small conferences.
Posted by bisceaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
606 posts
Posted on 11/24/10 at 10:28 pm to
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After reading this, I bet next year's parking fees are being setup to cover our hopeful BCS Sugar Bowl game :-)
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More likely to pay for baseball, softball, tennis, golf, swimming & diving, girls basketball, gymnastics, soccer, and volleyball



Maybe if we had more money from a playoff, it wouldn't be necessary :-) No, the man always figures out ways to take more of my money.

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I think I am now officially on board with Wetzel's 16 team playoff with including all conferences champions included and 5 at large teams.
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what a horrible, horrible idea that is, and what a disservice it will do to CFB



A disservice? Really? Letting the best sport in our society play for a championship on the field?

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Its still out of context, college athletic departments are non profits. All sports besides 2 lose money. What would Cincinnati's P/L look like if they eliminated all sports programs except football and men's basketball?


The P/L might look great, but the experience for all the "other" college athletes at school would not be great. I like a little balance myself and I am ok with football helping maintain that balance.

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Or what would it be with out the BCS money?

More with a playoff

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An NFL-style football playoff would generate three or four times" more than "the current system does." That could mean an estimated $700 million to $800 million annually to be distributed among the I-A conferences.

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The funny thing about that is most of it would go to the Big ie BCS conferences. You think a playoff is gonna be better for the Sun Belt and MAC or the Big 10 and SEC?



The fans first and that is my primary concern. Although I think it would be better for everyone, especially the SEC who knows how to play it on the field (just as we have done for the last 4 years and hopefully this year with Auburn). I would just rather have a second chance to beat Auburn in the NCAA championship game this year.

We (SEC teams) and other BCS conferences have no problem putting teams from the Sun Belt and MAC on our schedule during the beginning of the season, why should we care if we have to play them in the first round of a playoff at home? This might be what you were already saying, but I just wanted to make the point again.

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I love the BCS and so do the University Presidents. In Fact I would love to see everyone but the BCS Auto qualifying schools go and form a play off and see how that works for them.

Let ESPN foot the bill for it. I sure as hell won't watch it. Everyone talks about how great BSU is, but the reality TCU and BSU need the big boys more than they need them.


We do this every year, its called the bowl system. We invite 70 teams (if enough can become eligible) and put crappy games on ESPN from early December until the BCS bowls.

As to my earlier points - I don't want to keep supporting a systems that puts more money in the hands of "bowl" executives, head coaches, ADs, & especially ESPN. I would rather more of the money going to the schools and the college towns that support them.

We can still keep some of the bowls - at least the ones that would survive a playoff (most likely the bowls that have been around for a least 50 years). As long as they reduce the salaries of their executives (<<< $500K/year) and stop forcing schools to take a loss to be invited. Just like our athletic departments, the bowls are supposed to be non-profit.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/25/10 at 9:36 am to
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Letting the best sport in our society play for a championship on the field?


where was the Alabama-Texas game played last year? Looked like a field to me.
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The P/L might look great, but the experience for all the "other" college athletes at school would not be great. I like a little balance myself and I am ok with football helping maintain that balance.


I agree I'm not saying they should get rid of other sports, you are missing the point, they lose money because the AD funds all kinds of sports that lose money. I don't see SI writing about how much schools lose sending their women's basketball team to the tourney.
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More with a playoff


maybe, maybe not.
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The fans first and that is my primary concern.


This should not be the first concern of University Presidents and Athletic Directors. They run non-profits, not private businesses. The Student athletes should be their primary concern. I'm sorry some fans have butt hurt over the system in place. It doesn't seem to affect their enjoyment of the sport, CFB has grown over the years with out a playoff, so while some fans may bitch they still love it.
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would just rather have a second chance to beat Auburn in the NCAA championship game this year.


This is exactly what I hate about extensive playoffs. Why should Auburn have to beat us twice? Why should the 2nd game have more importance than the first. This is what we mean when we say playoff diminish regular seasons.

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I don't want to keep supporting a systems that puts more money in the hands of "bowl" executives, head coaches, ADs, & especially ESPN. I would rather more of the money going to the schools and the college towns that support them


Wow this is full of fail. Without ESPN or some other network there is no way a playoff makes more money. So wanting them to not make as much is just petty jealousy and counter productive. What the Bowl execs get is none of your business. If you want your team to win, you better hope the coaches are getting some other wise you won't have the best coaches any more. As for the college towns that's a different type of money.

This post was edited on 11/25/10 at 9:41 am
Posted by RockChalkTiger
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 11/25/10 at 11:24 am to
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What the Bowl execs get is none of your business.


It is when some of that money comes out of my pocket as tax dollars. Read the article:
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What's more, the Sugar Bowl accepted $3 million from the Louisiana state government—this a year before it was announced that the state was running a $341 million shortfall in its budget.


The BCS is a corrupt cartel. The only reason it continues to exist is that idiot fans continue to defend it, and the administrators entrusted with running an academic institution have been bought off and lack the stones to stand up for what is right.

For me, the only NCAA D1 national champion will crowned on the field in Chattanooga.
This post was edited on 11/25/10 at 11:29 am
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Minnesota
Member since Jan 2005
45569 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 11:33 am to
Too bad the top 2 teams never get to play this year with Oregon and Wisconsin locked into the Rose, Auburn the Sugar, and Boise the Humanitarian. If only we could devise a way to have #1 play #2!
Posted by bisceaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
606 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 12:34 pm to
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where was the Alabama-Texas game played last year? Looked like a field to me.


Boise St/TCU/Cinn should have had a chance to play for a championship on the field

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I agree I'm not saying they should get rid of other sports, you are missing the point, they lose money because the AD funds all kinds of sports that lose money. I don't see SI writing about how much schools lose sending their women's basketball team to the tourney.

I think you were missing my original point and one of the many points brought up by the authors. I don't like a system that forces most teams to loose money because they are invited to a bowl. The authors provide several examples of the insanity of the current bowl scam including paying full price for unused seats in half-filled stadiums

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The fans should not be the first concern of University Presidents and Athletic Directors. They run non-profits, not private businesses. The Student athletes should be their primary concern.

The bowls run nonprofits too, which is a major issue I have with the current system.

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I'm sorry some fans have butt hurt over the system in place. It doesn't seem to affect their enjoyment of the sport, CFB has grown over the years with out a playoff, so while some fans may bitch they still love it.

Great argument - just because CFB has grown over the years, we shouldn’t try to make it better. I love CFB and I’m grateful that the BCS has moved us in a better direction. I just feel that it has run its course and we need a new system.

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This is exactly what I hate about extensive playoffs. Why should Auburn have to beat us twice? Why should the 2nd game have more importance than the first. This is what we mean when we say playoff diminish regular seasons.

Why has any SEC teams had to beat someone twice in the same year - once during the regular season and once in the SEC championship game. And in the Auburn/LSU situation, the 2nd game would have more importance because it would likely be on a neutral field (with neutral refs). We all know about the refs in the SEC :-)

And I just still don’t buy the argument that this would diminish the regular season. We would still be playing for a better seed. Anyways, the CFB season continues to get diminished. Did you see the article in the NY Times - LINK

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In 1989, the sport’s 25 best teams, according to the A.P. poll of sportswriters heading into bowl season, played 20 games against one another outside of regular conference matchups. In 1998, there were 10 such games. This year, there were only three such games between teams that were ranked in the A.P. Top 25 after the first weekend in November.

IMHO, it doesn’t look like the regular season in the current system is getting any better. It looks like it has gotten a lot worse in just the last 20 years.

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I don't want to keep supporting a systems that puts more money in the hands of "bowl" executives, head coaches, ADs, & especially ESPN. I would rather more of the money going to the schools and the college towns that support them
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Wow this is full of fail. Without ESPN or some other network there is no way a playoff makes more money. So wanting them to not make as much is just petty jealousy and counter productive.



I should have left ESPN off that list in that context, because the fact that TV networks are making money was not my point. I do get pissed off at the way that ESPN continues to prop up these crappy bowls and reward teams for mediocracy. Anyway, I bet that CBS, NBC, and FOX would help make sure that a playoff made as much money as possible.

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What the Bowl execs get is none of your business.

If they are nonprofit, being excessively compensated, and using this money to donate to political candidates, it is our business. From the article:

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In September, Marcus Owens, the former head of the IRS's Exempt Organizations Division who is working with the lobbying group Playoff PAC, asked the IRS to review the nonprofit status of three BCS bowl games because of "excessive compensation." Junker and the Fiesta Bowl, which will run this year's BCS title game, are also under investigation by the Arizona attorney general's office. In December 2009, five former or current Fiesta Bowl employees told The Arizona Republic they were instructed by Junker to donate money to certain political candidates, to be reimbursed in the form of merit pay, which would be a violation of state and federal laws. Junker and the Fiesta Bowl have denied those accusations. The Republic also reported that the bowl spent more than $4 million since 2000 to curry favor from BCS bigwigs and elected officials—including almost $400,000 for its '08 Fiesta Frolic, a golf-intensive gathering of ADs and head coaches.


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If you want your team to win, you better hope the coaches are getting some other wise you won't have the best coaches any more.

Continuing to prop up new bowl games year after year and rewarding a coach and AD for going 6-6, which usually includes 3-5 home games against instate or small schools, is not what I would want to watch in the post-season. There is no argument that coaches that get their teams to the meaningful post-season games should be substantially rewarded.

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As for the college towns that's a different type of money.

What is different about this type of money? Wouldn’t you rather Baton Rouge get the “bowl” money than Dallas, Atlanta, Tampa, Orlando, etc?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59107 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 2:28 pm to
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It is when some of that money comes out of my pocket as tax dollars. Read the article:


I'm all for radical tax reform and ending the need for tax exempt status, but that's a different argument for a different board.
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The BCS is a corrupt cartel. The only reason it continues to exist is that idiot fans continue to defend it, and the administrators entrusted with running an academic institution have been bought off and lack the stones to stand up for what is right.


Stand up for what is right Good God, a lack of a playoff is not some injustice, get over yourself.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59107 posts
Posted on 11/25/10 at 2:51 pm to
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I don't like a system that forces most teams to loose money because they are invited to a bowl. The authors provide several examples of the insanity of the current bowl scam including paying full price for unused seats in half-filled stadiums

the schools could decline the bowls, but its still only looking at one side of the equation. Teams in conferences share the bowl revenue. So if you take the money 1 team makes off its bowl, which it splits with 9,10,11 other teams and then factor in the costs of that bowl to show they lost money is disingenuous. Ohio State goes to the Fiesta they get 1/11 of that payout after sharing with the rest of the Big 10, but they beat 100% of the costs. But they also get 1/11 (assuming the shares are equal) of the Rose Bowl, the Cap One Bowl, The Outback Bowl, the Alamo Bowl and all other Big 10 bowl tie ins, but have zero costs for the games they are not in. So take all the bowl revenue they get, plus the TV revenue and the increase in MDSE sales and see if they are still losing money going to the Fiesta Bowl.
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Why has any SEC teams had to beat someone twice in the same year - once during the regular season and once in the SEC championship game


Because the SEC CG is a type of playoff and its stupid, see the 2001 season. Even after splitting 2 games with LSU, Tenn had a better record, its a farce that LSU is SEC C.
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IMHO, it doesn’t look like the regular season in the current system is getting any better. It looks like it has gotten a lot worse in just the last 20 years.


that's cause you and most in the media have an agenda. Its stupid to count just OOC games when conferences have gotten bigger and now play more conference games. Miami was an independent in 1989, now they are in a conference. The author neglects to mention stuff like that because it would undermine his agenda. I'd like to know if the total # of top 20 games has changed. I bet it hasn't. Texas and OU are now in a the same conference, that makes it a bigger game, but according to this guy it doesn't count anymore.

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rewarding a coach and AD for going 6-6,


Depending on the school, most people don't consider 6-6 a good season, Shula was fired at Bama for going 6-6 and making a bowl. He's not the only 1.

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