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How many of you truly see Tom Brady as a cheater?

Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:40 am
Posted by MSUbulldogs03
Member since Apr 2013
2644 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:40 am
I want to believe it's just people talking shite to get TB12 fans fired up. The Patriots haven't done one thing that any other organization hasn't done, yet they're crucified because they succeeded.

I'm honestly not even a Pats fan, but I do respect how great Brady is. Deflategate was the most bogus, media-mediated scandal in sports history. If you kept up with everything and read the complete court ruling, you'd see that it was basically made up and twisted to blame on Brady.
Posted by Minden tiger
Minden,Louisiana
Member since Apr 2006
3175 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:44 am to
Definitely not a cheater. The spy gate scandal was bad, but I still feel like there's something similar going on all over the NFL, whether it was Benson wiring opposing coach's box, Falcons piping in crowd noise, Broncos manipulating injury reports, etc..
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29114 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:44 am to
IDGAF
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
28854 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:48 am to
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whether it was Benson wiring opposing coach's box


link?
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
4740 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:49 am to
I don't care if he cheats or not, besides I feel it's more the patriots than Brady himself cheating. It's sports, not politics. Ultimately he is an entertainer and he has been a great QB and has kept me entertained.

Can't stand the Patriots...but can't deny Brady as a great QB.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41065 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:50 am to
I think its an NFL generated "scandal" to keep a level of interest and intrigue for the women. If not for the Brady deal, no one would have mentioned much about the NFL over the summer. The "scandal" has kept them on the front page all off season.
Posted by Chillini
Member since Sep 2012
3153 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:51 am to
I hate Brady and the Patriots regardless of cheating.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127376 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:53 am to
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whether it was Benson wiring opposing coach's box,

You still believe this?
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81337 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:55 am to
He's absolutely the GOAT. Looks like he can keep playing at this level for another 4-5 years as well.
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 8:56 am
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
17715 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:56 am to
He's the GOAT and they're the best team in football.

I say that with a little puke in my mouth though.

Karma gunna get them at some point.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61758 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:56 am to
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Deflategate was the most bogus, media-mediated scandal in sports history.


Tom Brady 100% had the equipment managers letting air out of the footballs so he could get a better grip.

That's cheating.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38119 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 8:59 am to
I think he's a cheater...but I like him and I can appreciate his greatness.
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 9:03 am
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8164 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:01 am to
quote:

Tom Brady 100% had the equipment managers letting air out of the footballs so he could get a better grip.

That's cheating.


You can prove this?
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79117 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:06 am to
I'm always surprised so many people give a shite. The Patriots are good, Brady is good, they both win championships without any cheating unquestionably.

While I wouldn't mind seeing the Pats get nailed just for the drama of it, it has zero impact on my enjoyment of the NFL
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71339 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:07 am to
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link?



Welcome to a Patriot's fan's entire summer. As long as you are accusing the Patriots, WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN EVIDENCE!

NFL got housed in court with a judge sarcastically referring to the evidence the NFL brought up? BERMAN WAS OBVIOUSLY PAID OFF.

Hack job article that has multiple proven holes, including the supposed Mike Martz bombshell disproved by an ESPN EMPLOYEE for an issue that was determined almost 9 years ago that for some reason happened right after the NFL got it's butt kicked in court? OMG SHADY SHADY SHADY.

Now the NFL, who the head representative didn't even attend the game, actually defended the Patriots. The Patriots also had issues, as said by Bill Belichick.

I can massively sympathize with Saints fans over Bountygate. It was an obvious overreach and understudied issue by Goodell, but some of you scream for blood every single time an allegation occurs.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81337 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:07 am to
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Tom Brady 100% had the equipment managers letting air out of the footballs so he could get a better grip.


Every QB from at least the mid 1980's on did this. It's not a big deal. Troy Aikman, Brett Favre, and Aaron Rodgers have all been on record saying they discussed their preferred feels with the ball boys.

Brady obviously played with "regulation" balls in both the Super Bowl and last night's game and guess what - over 110 QB rating (at least - probably higher too lazy to google) and was MVP in both games. GOAT - case closed.
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 9:09 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94884 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:08 am to
quote:

You can prove this?
Nope, but I think this. You can prove he didnt? Nope. The thread is if you THINK he is a cheater. And that poster does, I do too. Now I think he is still an all time great and it is overblown, but at the core of the question, yes he is a cheater
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71339 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Tom Brady 100% had the equipment managers letting air out of the footballs so he could get a better grip.



The NFL couldn't even link him to it in court, which led to Nash in one of the funniest exchanges in the case having to admit that they had nothing to solidly tie it to Brady, and falling back on the more probable than not, to which the judge asked what the hell does that even mean.
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
10129 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:09 am to
I think it's a stupid rule, but a rule nonetheless. Therefore, he cheated.

If it's such a big deal, why do they let the team control the balls? Seems like the refs should take care of that.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94884 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:09 am to
quote:

Every QB from at least the mid 1980's on did this. It's not a big deal. Troy Aikman, Brett Favre, and Aaron Rodgers have all been on record saying they discussed their preferred feels with the ball boys
This is once again incorrect. If you dont think he is a cheater fine. But dont spread misinformation. Not one of those other players have been accused of taking balls after inspection and illegally letting air out
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