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re: How many Finals appearances would LeBron have if he played in the West

Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:43 pm to
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Lebron james 32 pts, 11reb, 10 asst Ray allen 9 pts 1 reb, 2asst Yeh, you are right. Allen was more important in game 6
It's really, really simple. If Ray Allen isn't on the court for the last shot/quarter/game, sure they're less likely to make it, but certainly someone else COULD have made the shot.

Take Lebron away for the game or final quarter, it's an easy SAS win.

There, done. That was easy.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:44 pm to
if lebron played in the west he'd have fewer negatives about "losing in the finals" b/c he wouldn't have made it as much but would have won it everytime out of the west. then the only black mark would be the finals he lost in CLE early on, but if anybody held that against him they're insane
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:44 pm to
I mean he said Ray allen single handedly won game 6. The guy had 9 freaking points and 1 rebound
This post was edited on 5/18/16 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:46 pm to
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Take Lebron away for the game or final quarter, it's an easy SAS win.

There, done. That was easy.
Did D-Wade fall off the face of the earth? People seem to forget that D-Wade was the more successful solo star player of the two.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:46 pm to
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I mean he said Ray allen single handedly won game 6.
So Miami wins Game 6 without Ray Allen on the court?
Posted by LMfan
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:47 pm to
You should think about your word choices. Don't say someone is singularly responsible for something if they were not indeed singularly responsible for something.

May bring your arguments more clarity.
Posted by Goldrush25
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:48 pm to
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So Miami wins Game 6 without Ray Allen on the court?


It's unknowable whether they would have or wouldn't have.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:49 pm to
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Don't say someone is singularly responsible for something if they were not indeed singularly responsible for something.
If he's not on the court for that shot, Miami doesn't win that game to even get to game 7. To me, that's singularly responsible. No one else on Miami makes that shot. Chalmers is a head case and neither Lebron nor Wade has proven to be "that guy" from the spot-up corner. When the next most reliable option to hit a game-saving 3 pointer on your team is Chris Bosh, the outlook isn't bright.
This post was edited on 5/18/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:49 pm to
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I think it was him getting punked out against Dallas. IMO you can't be considered the greatest when you played scared in the Finals


It is a headscratcher for sure, but I'm not sure scared is the right term. Regardless, the idea that getting the Finals and then shitting the bed is somehow worse than shitting the bed in the conference finals or semi-finals is ridiculous.
Posted by monkeybutt
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:49 pm to
What kind of argument is this? This is pathetic.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:49 pm to
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So Miami wins Game 6 without Ray Allen on the court?
Do you fricking realize what single handedly means you dumbass? You said he single handedly won the game. That means he was the most important piece on the court twenty fold
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:50 pm to
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Did D-Wade fall off the face of the earth?
We're talking about game 6 Lebron and Ray Allen, what does Wade have to do with that?
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:51 pm to
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What kind of argument is this? This is pathetic.
Nice debate skills brah.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110840 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:51 pm to
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So Miami wins Game 6 without Ray Allen on the court?
Possibly. Someone COULD have hit that shot.

Does Miami win game 6 without Lebron in the game or 4th quarter?
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:51 pm to
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If he's not on the court for that shot, Miami doesn't win that game to even get to game 7.
did the game start at that shot?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84872 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:51 pm to
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People seem to forget that D-Wade was the more successful solo star player of the two.


Huh? D-Wade made a trip the finals without LeBron, but it was anything but solo.

What people truly seem to forget is that LeBron went to the Finals with Zydrunas Ilgauskas as his best teammate.

ETA: I somehow forgot that Mo Williams and Delonte West came to Cleveland AFTER this year, which makes it even more impressive.
This post was edited on 5/18/16 at 1:14 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110840 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:52 pm to
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If he's not on the court for that shot, Miami doesn't win that game to even get to game 7
You don't know that.

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No one else on Miami makes that shot
No one else can hit a corner 3, zero chance. Got it!!

Posted by LMfan
Member since Aug 2014
5145 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:52 pm to
I think you are confusing partially responsible with "solely responsible"
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:52 pm to
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Do you fricking realize what single handedly means you dumbass?
You getting awful mad, son. May need to step away from the keyboard before you start beating someone soon.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95168 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 12:52 pm to
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did the game start at that shot?
It is an argument only a jackass would make

that 9 points,1 rebound,and 2 assist is better than 32 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 assists


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