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re: How far does Clemson fall?

Posted on 10/14/17 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by tigeroarz1
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Posted on 10/14/17 at 12:06 pm to
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I see that Clemson is getting a pass on Gameday this morning. That was a bad loss to Syracuse. Clemson goes to the back of the line for one loss teams, well, Wazzu is behind them. OSU, UM, MSU, Notre Dame, UVA, etc, all ahead of Clemson.
You’re totally disregarding wins. You’re telling me most of those teams have a better resume than Clemson? A Clemson team that lost by 3 without their starting QB and kicker?
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:19 pm to
Starting qb missed half game.

If hes back in three weeks and they win out, this loss is swept until nder rug.
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:22 pm to
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This benefits OU the most. This is worse than an Iowa st loss and now OU is in the drivers seat if they win out




OU lost at home while Clemson lost on the road.

Also, OU didn't lose their starting QB to a concussion like Clemson did.

Congrats on not knowing what you are talking about.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:20 am to
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Forget that. Syracuse is a bad loss. They are not one hundred percent guaranteed in with that loss when compared to other teams whose only loss was a close one to a ranked team. I'm not saying they wouldn't get in, all I'm saying is that it's not a guarantee.
Look at that, only took less than 24 hrs, you can bump that 99% to 100% now. They win out they're in, no question.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 10:55 am to
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Again if you're comparing a one loss Clemson team to another one loss team that lost to a ranked team, Clemson isn't 100% guaranteed to get in. This could easily end up being a bad loss for Clemson.


The playoff committee does not use worst loss as DQ like message board fans. They look at the full resume. If Clemson wins out they will be in. As noted they still have several good teams to play on top of the good wins they've already had.
Posted by tigeroarz1
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:09 am to
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As noted they still have several good teams to play on top of the good wins they've already had.
The good wins look less impressive after Auburn’s loss and Louisville’s nose dive. That being said if Clemson beats NC State and wins the ACC against a Top 10 Miami they’re in.
This post was edited on 10/15/17 at 11:10 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:25 am to
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The good wins look less impressive after Auburn’s loss and Louisville’s nose dive


It hurts some but they also beat Va Tech.
Posted by CobraCommander83
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:36 am to
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You’re totally disregarding wins. You’re telling me most of those teams have a better resume than Clemson? A Clemson team that lost by 3 without their starting QB and kicker?




I think the polls and the playoff committee will take the injury of Bryant into consideration with the lost...but come on. That was a game Clemson should have won regardless if Bryant played or not. Its not like Clemson has a couple of walk-on's at the QB position.

Clemson lost because of three reasons: 1) They abandoned the run game several times through out the game. Looking at the stats, Clemson ran the ball 25 times for 113 yards. Etienne had only 5 carries and Feaster had only 7 carries. Most importantly, they stop running the ball when it was obvious Bryant was hurt and couldn't move out of the pocket. 2) The defense showed weakness for the first time this season. Syracuse did something that Auburn and Louisville couldn't do and that is spread Clemson's defense out all around the field. Their secondary couldn't keep up at times and the LB's couldn't get to the outside in time. Their defense looked lost at times and when Syracuse was allowed to run their pace, Clemson's defense was getting gassed. 3) The third reason why Clemson lost was game management. Several times in that game, you could scratch your head trying to figure out what in the hell was Dabo thinking. The first head scratching moment was..why would you keep Bryant in the game if he was injured and was showing no signs of being effective? There is no doubt that keeping him like he did was the biggest reason why Bryant got that concussion. The second head scratching moment was (tied to the first point) is abandoning the run game. Like I said, 23 carries is very low for an offense that was averaging over 200+ yards per game and a backfield that is very good and deep. The third head scratching moment is special teams. Yeah Clemson's kicker is out for the season and the backup sucks but Dabo didn't try to do anything to avoid kicking a FG ...such as trying to draw an offsides or going for it on 4th down. Also, that fake punt in the 4th was a disaster. I know that play is a designed play in which if there is something there then go for it but late in the game trailing, it was too much risk to ask your punter to make a decision like that. Clemson's defense was struggling and was tired but I still would have given them a chance to try to stop Syracuse deep and force a punt to create a short field. All in all, Syracuse played better in all three areas than Clemson Friday night. Clemson losing because of an injury should not be an excuse because the fact Clemson's roster is full of elite talent and has some of the best coaches in the country right now. That is my observation....I'm not saying I'm right but that is what I observed.

With several teams in the top 10 losing yesterday, Clemson prob. won't drop too far. Maybe around 7 to 9. I still think Clemson is one of the best teams in the country but I still think this lost to Syracuse is still a bad one. Clemson had a great resume during the first month of the season but those wins are not looking as great as they did a couple of weeks ago. Auburn now has two losses and them losing to LSU yesterday raises a lot of questions about them. Louisville lost to BC yesterday and their best win to this date is Purdue. VT is sitting nicely at 5-1 but their resume is not the greatest. Biggest win is over a WVU and that is a team that only has one quality win. I will agree that Clemson's wins still looks a little better than some of the current one lost teams but not as nearly as impressive as it once was. Clemson still has a good chance to winning out but as of right now, they only have one team left on the schedule that is NC State. You could consider two if Miami or VT makes it the ACC championship game. Look at some of the other one lost teams....Ohio State still has potentially two or three big games left, OU still has two or three big game left, same goes for Washington and a couple of other team possibly. Even if Clemson does win out, I think it is still a possiblilty of them getting jumped especially if there is another one lost team that impresses and finished the season strong with big wins.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:40 am to
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Even if Clemson does win out, I think it is still a possiblilty of them getting jumped
do you people even follow college football?
There is 0 chance of them winning out and getting left out. None.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:52 am to
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There is 0 chance of them winning out and getting left out. None.



Sorry pal but there is A chance.....they get left out.............. IF UGA wins out and beats An unbeaten #1 Bama team in the SECCG they are BOTH in.... Oklahoma wins out and they are IN... Penn State wins out and THEY are in...

That leaves Clemson out..........
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:55 am to
Agreed dukee

Uga and bama can both get in

Posted by CobraCommander83
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 11:59 am to
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do you people even follow college football?
There is 0 chance of them winning out and getting left out. None.



So...you are saying that if Ohio State wins out (wins against Penn State, MSU, and Michigan), followed by a Big 10 Championship win against a possible top 5 or 10 Wisconsin team...they couldn't jump Clemson? Or..an OU team that wins out with wins over TCU, Oklahoma State, WVU, and possibly a Big 12 championship win over TCU...they couldn't jump Clemson? What if ND wins out with wins over Southern Cal, NC State, Miami, and Stanford? The point is that there are more one lost teams that play bigger and more important games than Clemson down the stretch. Like I said, Clemson is one of the best teams in the country but I don't think they deserve a pass because they beat 3 top 15 teams in the month of September that 2 of the three possibly could not be ranked at the end of the season. I also don't think a one lost team outside of Clemson should be punished for finishing stronger at the end of the season with bigger wins just because Clemson has an easier path down the stretch.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:02 pm to
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do you people even follow college football?
There is 0 chance of them winning out and getting left out. None


Notre Dame could be an issue.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:03 pm to
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Notre Dame could be an issue.


If they win out... YES............
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:05 pm to
Ya if UGA wins out and ND wins out (tough schedule ahead) then Clemson will have zero argument over them
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:08 pm to
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ND wins out (tough schedule ahead


IMO IF ND wins out ...they should be in.... Not sure how good they are.. But they ARE ND...

Think about it..........
Posted by CobraCommander83
Member since Feb 2017
11556 posts
Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:08 pm to
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Ya if UGA wins out and ND wins out (tough schedule ahead) then Clemson will have zero argument over them




I heard some people on the radio the other day (national radio) say that the committee could be in a tough place if 1) Bama wins out but lost in the SEC championship game or 2) UGA wins out but lost a close game in the SECCG.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:10 pm to
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or 2) UGA wins out but lost a close game in the SECCG.


If UGA wins out and gets beat by Bama in the SECCG they will be out if there are other 1 loss teams... If the opposite happens BOTH Bama and UGA are in............
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:10 pm to
Ya man. I totally agree

I don't see either losing until SEC Champ ; Gonna be interesting
Posted by CobraCommander83
Member since Feb 2017
11556 posts
Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:11 pm to
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IMO IF ND wins out ...they should be in.... Not sure how good they are.. But they ARE ND...

Think about it..........


One thing that will hurt ND is that they don't pay in a conference championship game. However, it would be hard to keep them out, regardless how people feel about them, with wins over Southern Cal, Miami, NC State, and Stanford with their only lost is by one point to UGA.
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