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Hockey experts... Pitt vs Wash end of game hypothetical

Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:22 pm
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15753 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:22 pm
I watch my fair share, but I'm by no means an expert.

Would Washington have been better off to have just let the Pens score immediately on the power play, in order to clear the power play and get back to their own man advantage and just try to score twice?

Seems like saving the time could have helped them.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6096 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:28 pm to
Fleury is basically a wall this series so not sure it would've mattered.

But yea, it wouldn't be an unreasonable strategy considering that the pens scored 2 goals with a man advantage just the game prior sub 3 mins.
Posted by WreckinRams05
Houston, Texas
Member since Dec 2005
6189 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:28 pm to
No. The top PP percentages are in the 20-25%. You don't give up a goal on those odds. the players would never go for it either
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:30 pm to
No. Scoring one goal in the last 2 minutes is tough enough. Score two goals in the last 2 minutes is even worse, regardless if you are shorthanded or have the man advantage.
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15753 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:34 pm to
So by percentages, I suppose that you have a better chance of scoring one goal at even strength (minus the goalie) in one minute, than you do scoring two with a man advantage (again, minus the goalie) in two minutes.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81342 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:39 pm to
You are a dumby
Posted by Chiefagain
Member since Nov 2016
1808 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:52 pm to
Correct me if I'm but I do believe the Caps were good at "shorties" this year.



Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76502 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:00 pm to
quote:

So by percentages, I suppose that you have a better chance of scoring one goal at even strength (minus the goalie) in one minute, than you do scoring two with a man advantage (again, minus the goalie) in two minutes.


It's not just the man advantage, 6-5 is a lot easier to defend than 5-4, and 5-4 is easier to defend than 4-3.

Lots more open ice with less guys out there.

It would be asinine to just let them score.

Might as well just barely it out even strength with the goalie pulled and go all out, and if they score an empty net, they score an empty net.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125394 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:40 am to
Technically the Pens should have never been on the PP.

It was a bogus high sticking call, that basically killed the game.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
8539 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:53 am to
I've never heard of giving g up a goal intentionally. Goals are too hard to come by to allow that.

Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15753 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:04 am to
You've probably never heard of pitchers batting 8th until semi-recently too.

My thinking was, you need time just as much as you need a goal. With the Pens going on the power play, unless you win the face-off, you likely aren't getting the puck back, in your possession to where you can pull your goalie, for at least 45 seconds or so. That leaves you around a minute to score, at even strength.

If you just let them score immediately, then you have nearly two minutes to score twice with a man advantage. It's unlikely, but so is scoring when you're basically short-handed.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 9:09 am
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
8539 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:08 am to
Short handed goals are not that crazy though. Gain possession, forwards get a jump into the neutral zone, chuck the puck down and make it a foot race. Much more probable than scoring two.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76502 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:15 am to
Youd be better off just pulling the goalie even if the faceoff is in your zone and just let it play out.

If you give up a goal, so be it.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:23 am to
Games aren't high scoring enough for it to be worth it. Pull the goalie as soon as you cross mid-ice, and take your chances.
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15753 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:46 am to
I suppose that's what I meant. Not necessarily let them score, but pull the goalie immediately, if they score, oh well, if they don't, you're immediately even strength in your offensive zone.

The point was to save as much time as possible.
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45794 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:53 am to
quote:

I suppose that's what I meant. Not necessarily let them score, but pull the goalie immediately, if they score, oh well, if they don't, you're immediately even strength in your offensive zone.

The point was to save as much time as possible.


...that's what they did?...
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15753 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:11 am to
No, they pulled him after finally getting possession in their offensive zone, not immediately after the PP began.
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