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Formula 1 fans: Will Lewis Hamilton break Michael Schumacher's records?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 1:31 am
Posted on 8/1/16 at 1:31 am
List of Formula 1 Driver Records
Lewis is currently 3rd in wins and 3rd in poles:
Top 5 F1 race winners
1. Michael Schumacher: 91
2. Alain Prost: 51
3. Lewis Hamilton: 49
4. Sebastian Vettel: 42
5. Aryton Senna: 41
Top 5 F1 pole sitters
1. Michael Schumacher: 68
2. Aryton Senna: 65
3. Lewis Hamilton: 55
4. Sebastian Vettel: 46
5. Jim Clark/Alain Prost: 33
I think Lewis gets the pole record, but I am not so sure about the race wins. 91 race wins is a long way to go. Lewis will need a few more seasons like the last 3 he has had with Mercedes to come near Schumacher's win total.
Having said that, Vettel is not too far behind Hamilton in both wins and poles and if Ferrari get their act together and put together a championship caliber car for a few seasons, Vettel could be in the mix too.
Lewis is currently 3rd in wins and 3rd in poles:
Top 5 F1 race winners
1. Michael Schumacher: 91
2. Alain Prost: 51
3. Lewis Hamilton: 49
4. Sebastian Vettel: 42
5. Aryton Senna: 41
Top 5 F1 pole sitters
1. Michael Schumacher: 68
2. Aryton Senna: 65
3. Lewis Hamilton: 55
4. Sebastian Vettel: 46
5. Jim Clark/Alain Prost: 33
I think Lewis gets the pole record, but I am not so sure about the race wins. 91 race wins is a long way to go. Lewis will need a few more seasons like the last 3 he has had with Mercedes to come near Schumacher's win total.
Having said that, Vettel is not too far behind Hamilton in both wins and poles and if Ferrari get their act together and put together a championship caliber car for a few seasons, Vettel could be in the mix too.
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:26 am to Street Hawk
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Formula 1 fans
they exist?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:29 am to geauxtigers456
In Europe.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:02 am to geauxtigers456
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Formula 1 fans
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they exist?
Are you proud to be ignorant?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2015/05/31/f1-revenue-accelerates-past-fifas-to-16-2-billion/
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Revenue at Formula One has raced to a total of $16.2 billion over the past 15 years outstripping its closest rival the FIFA World Cup of soccer according to new research...
...has fuelled F1’s rise to become the world’s most-watched annual sports series and last year it had 425 million television viewers.
Between 1999 and 2013 F1’s revenue came to a total of $16.2 billion which already outstrips FIFA’s even though it does not include the amount for 2014 unlike its rival. Since 1999 F1’s revenue has risen five times compared to a three-fold increase at FIFA.
(of course they say "annual sports series" because the World Cup and Olympics will have more viewers when they occur every four years.)
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:54 am to Street Hawk
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Will Lewis Hamilton break Michael Schumacher's records?
Simple answer: No.
Hamilton happens to be the better driver in the best car. No car has had such a clear advantage over its rivals for this many seasons in the 'modern' era.
When Mercedes falls back to the pack, Hamilton will return to being a fast but not dominate driver, just like he's been for every year except for '14, '15 and '16.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 5:45 am to RuLSU
Wins - No
Poles - maybe. If forced to choose I would say no.
Poles - maybe. If forced to choose I would say no.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 7:59 am to Street Hawk
Hopefully not
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:03 am to Street Hawk
Maybe pole records, but not race wins. When Schumacher was dominating F1, things were different. Back then, there was no restrictions on testing. Ferrari was constantly testing on their test track. Also, Bridgestone tailored their tyres to Ferrari. Again, Ferrari was constantly doing tyre testing so they had an unfair advantage. The rules in current F1 series significantly reduces the amount of testing individual teams can do in season.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:21 pm to uptownsage
Testing restrictions didn't limit Brawn, Red Bull or Mercedes from out designing the competition on their way to their recent championships. One thing that has stood out in recent times is that the fastest car at the first race usually ends up winning the championship. Sadly the art of out-developing your competitors in-season seems to have become a dying art.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:26 pm to Street Hawk
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Testing restrictions didn't limit Brawn, Red Bull or Mercedes from out designing the competition on their way to their recent championships.
I am talking about actual on track testing. Not the computer simulations the teams are constantly running and testing on.
Brawn won because of their rear double diffuser design that no other team was able to emulate.
Red Bull had the most reliable engines along with Adrian Newey designing their aero packages during their win streak.
Mercedes now has the best engine package, along with more advanced computer testing programs.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:30 pm to uptownsage
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Maybe pole records, but not race wins. When Schumacher was dominating F1, things were different. Back then, there was no restrictions on testing. Ferrari was constantly testing on their test track. Also, Bridgestone tailored their tyres to Ferrari. Again, Ferrari was constantly doing tyre testing so they had an unfair advantage. The rules in current F1 series significantly reduces the amount of testing individual teams can do in season.
Mercedes' run the last 3 years has been more dominant than the Ferrari years. Testing/PU dev bans have made it difficult for the other constructors to close the gap and I dont see that changing next year either.
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2001 - Ferrari poles = 9/17 (53%) 2001 - Ferrari wins = 9/17 (53%)
2002 - Ferrari poles = 10/17 (59%) 2002 - Ferrari wins = 15/17 (88%)
2003 - Ferrari poles = 8/16 (50%) 2003 - Ferrari wins = 8/16 (50%)
2004 - Ferrari poles = 12/18 (66%) 2004 - Ferrari wins = 15/18 (83%)
2014 - Merc poles = 18/19 (95%) 2014 - Merc wins = 16/19 (84%)
2015 - Merc poles = 18/19 (95%) 2015 - Merc wins = 16/19 (84%)
2016 - Merc poles = 11/12 (92%) 2016 - Merc wins = 11/12 (92%)
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:37 pm to Street Hawk
You need to subtract the wins he got when Ferrari told Barrichello to pull over so Schumacher could win.
Funny how Schumacher said he felt bad when Ferrari gave those instructions but he never declined to pass.
Funny how Schumacher said he felt bad when Ferrari gave those instructions but he never declined to pass.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:17 pm to ptra
My question is, how was the competition?
Literally Hamilton and his team mate win, almost every week. They lose, when they take each other out, competition can't beat them, only each other can.
Their cars are superior to everyone elses, so, Was Schumaker on par with competition(car and motor) or was it close to same, where he had a+ gear and everyone else with B cars?
Literally Hamilton and his team mate win, almost every week. They lose, when they take each other out, competition can't beat them, only each other can.
Their cars are superior to everyone elses, so, Was Schumaker on par with competition(car and motor) or was it close to same, where he had a+ gear and everyone else with B cars?
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:18 pm to stlslick
Like others have said, poles I think so but wins I don't see it.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:18 pm to Street Hawk
Different eras.
F1 protects top drivers terribly.
F1 protects top drivers terribly.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:22 pm to tconle2
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Hopefully not
I would rather he would, but I doubt he has the career longevity of Schumacher and who knows if Mercedes will remain dominant after 2016.
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:22 pm to Street Hawk
It's too difficult the predict the future because the tide can change in F1 very rapidly every time they make a drastic change to the rules package, plus some drivers have a knack for moving to the right situation, and some seem to constantly make the wrong choice.
In 2009 the crap Honda (now Brawn) was suddenly the best car on the grid because Honda gave up on their horrible 2008 car early in the season and got a head start on everyone on developing a car for the new 2009 rules.
In 2014 with the drastic change in the engine rules, Red Bull's four-year string of dominance was over, and interestingly Vettel suddenly couldn't even keep up with his teammate.
As for making bad decisions, Fernando Alonso is the poster boy for that, going to Ferrari at the wrong time, and going (back) to McLaren at the wrong time. OTOH, Hamilton timed his move from McLaren to Mercedes perfectly, so maybe he has a knack for making the right decisions.
In 2009 the crap Honda (now Brawn) was suddenly the best car on the grid because Honda gave up on their horrible 2008 car early in the season and got a head start on everyone on developing a car for the new 2009 rules.
In 2014 with the drastic change in the engine rules, Red Bull's four-year string of dominance was over, and interestingly Vettel suddenly couldn't even keep up with his teammate.
As for making bad decisions, Fernando Alonso is the poster boy for that, going to Ferrari at the wrong time, and going (back) to McLaren at the wrong time. OTOH, Hamilton timed his move from McLaren to Mercedes perfectly, so maybe he has a knack for making the right decisions.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:23 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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F1 protects top drivers terribly.
The 'sport' doesn't give a shite who the top drivers are.
It does care who the top teams are, and much more importantly, the TEAMS protect their drivers.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:27 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
I'm sure Alonso isn't happy with Ferrari being JUST a tick off Red Bull in 2010 and 2012, but it wasn't as if Ferrari hit a bad stretch. They were more competitive in the Red Bull era than they are now.
He'd rather get in on the ground floor at McLaren with Honda (people keep talking about their form for 2017) than strangle the Ferrari to its limit. Sure 2015 was awful but people still recognize him as one of the best drivers on the grid still because you know what Alonso is going to give you almost every race - the best possible result of the car.
He'd rather get in on the ground floor at McLaren with Honda (people keep talking about their form for 2017) than strangle the Ferrari to its limit. Sure 2015 was awful but people still recognize him as one of the best drivers on the grid still because you know what Alonso is going to give you almost every race - the best possible result of the car.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:34 pm to uptownsage
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Brawn won because of their rear double diffuser design that no other team was able to emulate.
Just for accuracy's sake, IIRC, all the other teams protested the design vigorously, and during this time Button absolutely dominated. When the double diffuser was declared legal, everyone scrambled to make their own designs, and in the second half of the season Brawn was no longer so dominant and Button had to hang on for dear life to win the championship. It didn't help that Barrichello also occasionally out-drove him in the second half of the season. It wasn't an impressive way to close out the season, but hey, people only remember the championship.
You can review what the season looked like at a glance here:
https://f1.dg42.net/?year=2009
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