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Former NFL players' lawsuit for pain pill and toradol dispensing
Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:10 am
These players are full of shite. They wanted to take these pills and shots to stay on the field.
Money grab is money grab.
The only answer to prevent the "exploitation" of the payers is simple, FOLD THE LEAGUE and have no more NFL.
Money grab is money grab.
The only answer to prevent the "exploitation" of the payers is simple, FOLD THE LEAGUE and have no more NFL.
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 10:11 am
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:13 am to Covingtontiger77
And dumbasses blame Goodell for the rule changes
Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:25 am to castorinho
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And dumbasses blame Goodell for the rule changes
I think people hate Goofdell more for the inconsistent enforcement. If you pay attention to fines and suspensions you'll have no idea what's allowed and what isn't. Plus there's the perception of favoritism toward certain players and teams.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:31 am to Covingtontiger77
People sue for everything
Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:34 am to Covingtontiger77
Eh, there are some doctor's in the NFL for a long time that were no different than shady pain management clinics who were handing out pain pills like candy. And the NFL allowed it because it kept players on the field.
I think you underestimate a person's trust in a licensed physician telling them what is and isn't ok for their body. It's part of the reason we have had an opioid epidemic and now a heroin epidemic in this country.
I think you underestimate a person's trust in a licensed physician telling them what is and isn't ok for their body. It's part of the reason we have had an opioid epidemic and now a heroin epidemic in this country.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:39 am to BluegrassBelle
Being an NFL doc is a no win situation.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:48 am to tigerskin
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Being an NFL doc is a no win situation.
I don't disagree with that. But you have to have enough of a conscience to stand up to a coach/owner for the sake of the health of a player/patient. And there are definitely some who abandoned that oath a long time ago.
There's also more to the lawsuit:
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Yates testified in a deposition that 'a majority of clubs as of 2010 had trainers controlling and handling prescription medications and controlled substances when they should not have.'
So they had trainers controlling and handling prescription meds and controlled substances. That's a no no and breaks the law in most states.
This is a big one though. Because there is a physical limit on how many shots you should get and how many pills you can take. And they were truly doling them out like candy:
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According to court filings, NFL team doctors prescribed at least 5,777 doses of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs as well as 2,213 doses of controlled medications in 2012 alone. That averages out to approximately six or seven pain pills or injections per player over the course of a typical NFL season – an astounding number, according to sports medicine experts. While it is difficult to gauge the extent of alleged abuses given that it is hard to know the exact dosage given to players, the potency of the painkillers and their vulnerability to addiction, like Vicodin, is cause for alarm
Those doctors have a responsibility to "do no harm". Players are going to come to you and ask for more of this or that, but as a doctor (or even trainer) its your responsibility to not hand them the damn bag of pills instead of offering alternative methods for pain.
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 10:50 am to Covingtontiger77
NFL is a multi-billion dollar business, one in which there is almost an absolute certainty their "employees" will suffer injuries through their careers. Couple that with the fact that MANY of their employees (the players) are largely uneducated and irresponsible with regards to the obscene earnings they make, and you are left with people who have no work-skills outside of football who are in many cases broke (financially) before or around the age of 40. It's a great money grab
The former players need the money because they have unwisely pissed away millions of dollars like it was nothing. Plaintiff attorneys like the NFL as a defendant because it is a DEEP pocket to potentially compensate injured plaintiffs.
It's nothing more than a fleecing of a rich business, one which will eventually be litigated out existence. It's going to start at the HS level where it will eventually become too cost prohibitive to have a football program. It will trickle up to college, and eventually, with no one playing football at that much anymore, the NFL will die on the vine.
The former players need the money because they have unwisely pissed away millions of dollars like it was nothing. Plaintiff attorneys like the NFL as a defendant because it is a DEEP pocket to potentially compensate injured plaintiffs.
It's nothing more than a fleecing of a rich business, one which will eventually be litigated out existence. It's going to start at the HS level where it will eventually become too cost prohibitive to have a football program. It will trickle up to college, and eventually, with no one playing football at that much anymore, the NFL will die on the vine.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:36 am to Alt26
A friend of mine pitched for the Diamondbacks when they won the World Series. He tried calling a few times for Prednisone because the anti inflammatory effects took away pain and got him hyped up. Would say "I have bad poison ivy". I would laugh at him, tell him he was full of shite and say no. The other pitchers were taking stimulants before throwing. They will do anything for an edge. Then try to play the victim role when it is all over.
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:40 am to BluegrassBelle
Obviously if you can show a player who has concerns being given bad information I have issues.
That being said, most of these players have the mindset of get be back out there damn the consequences. It's tough for me not to put some of the blame on the players.
That being said, most of these players have the mindset of get be back out there damn the consequences. It's tough for me not to put some of the blame on the players.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:43 am to BluegrassBelle
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Those doctors have a responsibility to "do no harm". Players are going to come to you and ask for more of this or that, but as a doctor (or even trainer) its your responsibility to not hand them the damn bag of pills instead of offering alternative methods for pain.
Lulz. You can make that argument for corner "pain clinics", but I'd love to see this as an open court argument for people literally crashing their bodies together with forces equal to car wrecks.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:47 am to Jcorye1
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That being said, most of these players have the mindset of get be back out there damn the consequences. It's tough for me not to put some of the blame on the players
That still doesn't relieve the doctor from the responsibility to not over prescribe them those meds. Or to have medical professionals who are not supposed to be prescribing medication doing so (the accusation that they had trainers doing so). They have the knowledge through their education and training of what can harm a patient and at what frequency is becomes dangerous. Those players in majority of cases don't have that education.
One of the things brought up in the lawsuit is liver damage, which can occur due to excessive use of anti-inflammatories. At the rate they were prescribing that medication, it very likely contributing to that.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:55 am to Jcorye1
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Lulz. You can make that argument for corner "pain clinics", but I'd love to see this as an open court argument for people literally crashing their bodies together with forces equal to car wrecks.
It's not that hard of an argument. Team doctor's purposely put people in physical harm by over prescribing medication that deteriorates their physical health.
They're arguing that they were over prescribed anti-inflammatories and it's caused liver failure/damage. That kind of damage doesn't come from the physical punishment of football. It's not a lacerated liver. It's liver cells that are damaged from the overuse of anti-inflammatories.
If you read the article I posted, they had doctor's literally trying to deceive the DEA of the amounts of medication they were dispensing to players.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:59 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:You're really out of touch with what's going on here.
These players are full of shite. They wanted to take these pills and shots to stay on the field
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:01 pm to Jcorye1
quote:What?
You can make that argument for corner "pain clinics", but I'd love to see this as an open court argument for people literally crashing their bodies together with forces equal to car wrecks
Are you saying that because of what they do fora living, an open court will then say it totally cool for a physician to bypass all rules and oaths that come with being a physician?
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:05 pm to Covingtontiger77
Umm... the team doctors should have NEVER been giving players toradol in the first place. That shite is for burn victims.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:22 pm to Dr RC
I would imagine the docs would say they couldn't field a team with just Advil and Tylenol. And too many Tylenol gives u liver problems. And too many Advil gives u kidney problems.
Not saying it is right. That is why I said that is a no win position.
Not saying it is right. That is why I said that is a no win position.
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:23 pm to Covingtontiger77
Just the NFL trying to keep the players in shackles
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:24 pm to Dr RC
quote:I hope you are not a real doctor.
Umm... the team doctors should have NEVER been giving players toradol in the first place. That shite is for burn victims.
Toradol (ketorolac) is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). Ketorolac works by reducing hormones that cause inflammation and pain in the body. Toradol is used short-term (5 days or less) to treat moderate to severe pain. Toradol may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:48 pm to Covingtontiger77
The truth about drug and steroid use in the NFL.
The pressure on players to perform even when threatened by serious injury.
The NFL proudly boasts that football features the biggest, fastest, and toughest athletes in the world. But, according to Huizenga, many players are emotionally immature, overgrown galoots who gladly abuse themselves by ingesting performance-enhancing and painkilling drugs while ignoring the obvious consequences--a fact underscored by offensive linemen Charley Hannah's assertion, made to Huizenga and some teammates over dinner one night: ``We're making too much money, we're having too much of a good time. They're going to have to drag me off the freaking field kicking and screaming.''
However, the most inflammatory passages are reserved for Huizenga's many clashes with Davis and his incompetent team orthopedist, Dr. Robert Rosenfeld, whose frequent dismissal of potentially crippling injuries provides the book's title.
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