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re: "ESPN is in the bag for the NFL" Simmons

Posted on 10/1/15 at 2:01 pm to
Posted by Feral
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Posted on 10/1/15 at 2:01 pm to
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He has been no more biased than ESPN when it comes to deflategate.



He's been calling Goodell out for his colossal mismanagement of the NFL for years, and has called him the worst commissioner in sports as far back as the referee lockout.

The rant that got him suspended from his podcast for 3 weeks last year was about Ray Rice, so about 95% of his beef with Goodell has nothing to do with Deflategate.

Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/1/15 at 2:02 pm to
Deflategate was so dumb - Brady's stats this year prove what a non issue it was (as if there was any doubt anyway)
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12425 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 2:04 pm to
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Didn't ESPN have some shitty show based off of Pro Football, and it showed players doing drugs, parting heavily, and shooting up with Roids, and NFL wanted show taken off the air.

And the show disappeared, poof!


Playmakers. The NFL was allegedly in support of it and then pulled support once they found out what the show was about, and that's why they had to use a bunch of made up team names.

The show got the ax after one season.
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/1/15 at 2:12 pm to
Welcome to 2005 Bill...shite been obvious for 10 years
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12425 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 2:15 pm to
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Simmons is an attention whore and really believes he's important. A lot of people blow him because they dislike EPSN and he likes to rail against the network.


He literally pioneered podcasting as a sports information medium, and he was the brain behind the only two decent original things ESPN has done in the last quarter century -- 30 For 30 and Grantland.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36119 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 2:34 pm to
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Who out there right now has a better perspective on, and is willing to openly discuss, how espn operates than Simmons? That alone makes what he has to say worthwhile.



Other former employees as well but yes, Simmons has a valuable perspective for sure.

Simmons seemed to be in a constant state of being restrained while at ESPN to boot. So IMO it doesn't come across as him abruptly changing his opinion because he's now mad with his former boss.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81851 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 5:05 pm to
Can't believe Simmons has so many haters - dude is so awesome.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 10/1/15 at 11:48 pm to
New Simmons podcast is up : not particularly thrilled with this one...

quote:

HBO's Bill Simmons talks Grantland memories, best 2015 movies, DeNiro vs. Pacino, Anne Hathaway vs. Emily Blunt, favorite movie theater experiences and new beginnings with Pulitzer Prize winning critic Wesley Morris.


... think there's another one coming - would love to hear him talk more football or ESPN
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 11:56 pm to
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but lets completely ignore that Simmons is in the bag for the Pats due to growing up as a Boston sports super fan.


I'll be the first to admit its grating, and his blind spot for the Pats especially (his continued insistence that Pete Carroll is a bad coach despite dominating at USC and building the most consistently successful NFC team of this decade) was such that I basically rooted against them (and all Boston teams) just so he wouldn't write a dumb gloat column or have a moronic podcast about it-- but, he's open about it. ESPN pretends to be a sports journalism network and not only does things like fire Simmons, they bury negative NFL news, cover for Goodell (the Rice thing was 1000 times worse than Ballghazi but since it didn't involve the Pats, Simmons has moved on from it).

I would point out though that Simmons straight up ignores and/or minimizes the most damning thing to come out about Goodell in the wake of Ballghazi-- that he pursued it as a make-up call after burying evidence that Spygate was far, far worse than initially reported, why its almost like Bill didn't want to dwell on those reports.
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 11:58 pm to
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He was ESPN's written content, and now he has the opportunity to prove it.





Honestly, his writing got him in the door but in recent years his behind the scenes stuff was way, way more influential-- bringing in all those writers to Grantland, getting the 30 for 30 project off the ground-- basically every good piece of content on ESPN not directly tied to live sports or Behind the Lines had Simmons fingerprints on it.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 10/1/15 at 11:59 pm to
this podcast is the best one so far - he's dishing on ESPN and the end of his tenure for the first 10 minutes
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 10/1/15 at 11:59 pm to
quote:

Simmons is an attention whore and really believes he's important. A lot of people blow him because they dislike EPSN and he likes to rail against the network.


He literally pioneered podcasting as a sports information medium, and he was the brain behind the only two decent original things ESPN has done in the last quarter century -- 30 For 30 and Grantland.


Grantland's already bleeding talent. Watch 30 for 30 turn into rote sports documentaries that get no critical attention and slowly die off-- when the thing that made them interesting to begin with was the unexpected angles-- other than "the U" almost all of the good ones used sports to frame an interesting story but weren't necessarily sports documentaries, at least not wholly.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 12:02 am
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81851 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:00 am to
Bill actually agrees with this in Podcast #2

ETA: Podcast 3 is epic - still talking about the ESPN breakup - lots of good points.
ESPN.com only led Grantland on top half of site once in all of April, there were no mobile phone links from ESPN.com, Over 45% of Grantland hits came from people typing in "Grantland.com".
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 12:03 am
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:03 am to
Where are the podcasts on- HBO's site?
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:03 am to
on iTunes or here LINK
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:04 am to
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I've never understood why people like Simmons so much, but I'm not a big basketball fan and that seems to be his real expertise.

Different strokes for different folks though.


I'm both glad and annoyed that he didn't ever really dig college football- I mean I get it in a lot of ways College vs. the NFL is basically a regional thing based on where you grow up.
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:05 am to
Thanks
Posted by Wild Thang
YAW YAW Fooball Nation
Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:39 am to
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Ballghazi--


Makes you sound like a hack which I already know you are.
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
8767 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 2:12 am to
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I've never understood why people like Simmons so much, but I'm not a big basketball fan and that seems to be his real expertise.

Different strokes for different folks though.




You're a Cal fan.

I don't understand why you care about sports at all.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39981 posts
Posted on 10/2/15 at 7:29 am to
Um... No shite, Bill.
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