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re: Do you wish the SEC would've got FSU?
Posted on 11/12/13 at 5:29 pm to Dubosed
Posted on 11/12/13 at 5:29 pm to Dubosed
From what I have read, FSU received the best offer from the ACC. The SEC also never formally invited FSU, although it seems like the offer would have been extended.
Either way, FSU tried to join for something like ten years and was repeatedly told no thanks. The SEC can't come back and put this on us
Either way, FSU tried to join for something like ten years and was repeatedly told no thanks. The SEC can't come back and put this on us
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Posted on 11/12/13 at 5:30 pm to TheOcean
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FSU begged to join for years. And we were told no every year.
bullshite, the SEC offered Fla. State a spot when the SEC was expanding to 12, Bowden said no & joined the ACC instead & the SEC got Arkansas.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 5:34 pm to TigerintheNO
You're arguing with a guy who claims f$u is on par academically with UF
He read that somewhere as well
He read that somewhere as well
Posted on 11/12/13 at 5:34 pm to TigerintheNO
Yup. I'm talking about pre-1990.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 5:37 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Either your reading comprehension or your memory is awful. Or both.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 5:45 pm to TheOcean
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I'm talking about pre-1990.
Well you should say that. Since the last time, pre'92, that the SEC expanded, y'all were still Florida State college for Women.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 5:49 pm to TigerintheNO
FSU reached out to the SEC for something like ten years in a row. Presumably because the SEC had been tossing around the idea of expanding.
Either way, the ACC offered a better deal at the time. And sports are cyclical. I would love to be in the SEC, but we'll be just fine in the ACC once teams like VT and Miami start fielding more competitive teams.
Either way, the ACC offered a better deal at the time. And sports are cyclical. I would love to be in the SEC, but we'll be just fine in the ACC once teams like VT and Miami start fielding more competitive teams.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 6:28 pm to heypaul
Their women alone is enough for me
Posted on 11/12/13 at 8:06 pm to TheOcean
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the ACC offered a better deal at the time.
Curious as to what "deal" was offered? Maybe Arky/USCe and A&M/Mizzou fans could weigh-in but I thought you join the conference, play the schedules, etc like every other team.
What I seem to recall is that FSU was in the midst of an incredible run in football and felt joining the ACC would be better exposure in hoops.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 8:12 pm to AlwysATgr
I don't think the specifics were released. FSU officials said the main reason was money.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 9:24 pm to KosmoCramer
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Adding Florida State would do nothing for revenue for the SEC and Florida would never allow it.
i got news for you; the last sec expansion only got usc and arky because florida state and a&m turned the sec down. actally, a&m accepted but the state legislature voted to take away state funding of the university if they left and went to the sec. bobby bowden kept fsu out of the sec by demanding unequal payments to fsu. the acc then gave fsu a disproportionate share of revenues so he oked going to the acc. that's the power of football coaches in the day. bowden had more power than the universty president and the board of regants combined. fact.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 9:28 pm to TheOcean
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FSU begged to join for years. And we were told no every year.
you, son, have been lied to and you took the bait. bobby bowden made your program and then destroyed it.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 9:29 pm to TheOcean
To be fair to the 'Noles it's not like joining the ACC was a bad choice. They came right in and ran shite for over a decade, including 2 national titles, and despite a little slump they still came across a couple more ACC titles in the mid 2000s. FSU joining the ACC was probably the worse thing that could have happened to Clemson and for that I am happy with FSU's choice.
And on top of that it's not like the SEC was making the kind of money it is today.
And on top of that it's not like the SEC was making the kind of money it is today.
This post was edited on 11/12/13 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 11/12/13 at 9:30 pm to lsutigers1992
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And when they joined, Georgia Tech had just showed you could have an above-average team and cheese your way through the ACC and win a share of the NC.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 9:31 pm to TheOcean
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I don't think the specifics were released. FSU officials said the main reason was money
i don't know how old you are but the specifics were not only released but bowden crowed about them. fsu made out like a bandit in the acc and the likes of wake forest and duke were happy to let y'all have most of their revenues.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 9:51 pm to lsutigers1992
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I used to live in Columbia, Missouri. They really don't care about football. Faurot field is about the size of Vaught-Hemmingway, probably smaller. They are more like Kentucky and Vanderbilt. If they have a good football team, they'll support it. But basketball is king.
When I lived there, they were still Big 12. They could have finished 0-12 in football but beat Kansas once in basketball and it would be the GREATEST YEAR EVER.
They treat Norm Stewart like he was their Bear Bryant, and he never even got them to the Final Four. One of the sports bars I used to go to had all kinds of memorabilia, and like 90 percent of it was from that one week they were #1 in basketball.
clueless
Posted on 11/12/13 at 9:58 pm to heypaul
not really..
Posted on 11/12/13 at 10:01 pm to heypaul
In an ideal world, the SEC would dump Vanderbilt and bring in FSU.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 10:43 pm to heypaul
Yes
Posted on 11/12/13 at 11:06 pm to lsutigers1992
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I used to live in Columbia, Missouri. They really don't care about football. Faurot field is about the size of Vaught-Hemmingway, probably smaller. They are more like Kentucky and Vanderbilt. If they have a good football team, they'll support it. But basketball is king.
When I lived there, they were still Big 12. They could have finished 0-12 in football but beat Kansas once in basketball and it would be the GREATEST YEAR EVER.
They treat Norm Stewart like he was their Bear Bryant, and he never even got them to the Final Four. One of the sports bars I used to go to had all kinds of memorabilia, and like 90 percent of it was from that one week they were #1 in basketball.
This reminds me of Eugene, Oregon. Last year, when I was there for the Olympic Trials, a friend and I were discussing how fanatical the whole town was about track and field. I recalled a conversation about a decade earlier with someone who had predicted that if they ever got a good football team, they would forget all about track, but that Eugene's track fans seemed even more fanatical since their football team started going to BCS Bowls every year. Furthermore, about 90% of the wall space of the most popular sports bars is still devoted to track and field.
At that point, a local overheard us and pointed out that unlike towns like Baton Rouge, Tuscaloosa and Athens, where football was the first true love, in Eugene, track and field was their first true love. He said that long before they had big-time football, Uncle Phil and NIKE, the Trailblazers and even Steve Prefontaine, they had a national powerhouse track program. Consequently, the only coach who has a statue on campus is track coach Bill Bowerman, not a football coach, and the most celebrated athlete in the school's history is distance runner Steve Prefontaine, who is as big in Eugene as Billy Cannon and Pete Maravich combined in Baton Rouge. The guy also said that he was a season ticket holder for both Oregon football and Oregon track, but that track was where his heart was, while football is just a happening event that puts them on the national map.
Similarly, when I've been in Des Moines, Iowa on a few occasion, and searching for the local sports station on the radio, I've come across talks shows that were entirely devoted to college wrestling. Though I have no interest in wrestling, I listened in amazement at all the passionate wrestling fans who called in to the show despite the fact that wrestling season was still five months away. I'm sure there are places in this country that are equally passionate about college hockey and lacrosse. By the way, the drop off in college baseball's popularity outside of Baton Rouge is steep, and folks who think it's a major sport because of what they see at Alex Box are living in a bubble.
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