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re: Compare the Big Ten to the SEC this season...using Massey Poll
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:02 pm to kingbob
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:02 pm to kingbob
quote:- kingbob
Penn State should be in the playoffs. LSU is simply a much better team than their record indicates. Penn State's run defense isn't good enough to beat them and LSU's defense can nearly shut down any offense. There's only a handful of teams with the run defense capable of beating LSU, and LSU played nearly all of them.
Then why is LSU not in the playoffs? Where is the uproar? Penn State is supposedly better than their record indicates..THEY BEAT OSU. Are you telling me record matters?
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 6:05 pm
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:03 pm to gobuxgo5
quote:
How I rank them:
Which is why you're a dumbfrick
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:07 pm to TigerBait2008
quote:
Which is why you're a dumbfrick
Stay classy
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:40 pm to gobuxgo5
quote:
How I rank them:
Alabama
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Wisconsin
Lsu
Iowa
Auburn
Florida
Nebraska
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Minnesota
Arkansas
Northwestern
Indiana
Georgia
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Michigan St
Vanderbilt
Mississippi State
Illinois
Maryland
Purdue
South Carolina
Missouri
Compared to Massey's you really rank a lot of the middle to bottom Big10 teams much higher:
Massey's
#1 Alabama
#2 Ohio State
#5 Michigan
#6 Penn State
#8 Wisconsin
#16 LSU
#14 Auburn
#21 Iowa
#25 Florida
#26 Nebraska
#27 Tennessee
#29 Texas A&M
#37 Minnesota
#45 Arkansas
#46 Georgia
#47 Northwestern
#50 Kentucky
#51 Ole Miss
#52 Vanderbilt
#57 Mississippi State
#59 Indiana
#66 Maryland
#70 South Carolina
#81 Missouri
#82 Michigan St
#100 Illinois
#103 Purdue
#112 Rutgers
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:43 pm to bamaclownbaby
I'm saying it's a matchup issue, not neccessarily an overall team quality issue. Some teams matchup with others better based on scheme or talent at specific positions. LSU matches up better against Penn State than Wisconsin due to Wisky's superior run defense. However, Penn State matches up better against Wisconsin than LSU does.
The more talented team does not always have the advantage against every team. Scheme matters, and so does where that talent is on said team.
The more talented team does not always have the advantage against every team. Scheme matters, and so does where that talent is on said team.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:49 pm to kingbob
So who deserves to be in the playoffs? Penn State or LSU? Or do records matter?
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:51 pm to bamaclownbaby
Penn State. Just like Alabama was more worthy than Ole Miss and A&M the past few years when Alabama lost to them.
I'm not sure what your "gotcha" is supposed to be.
I'm not sure what your "gotcha" is supposed to be.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:53 pm to kingbob
So PSU deserves it more than LSU because record matters but OSU doesn't deserve it more than PSU cause records don't matter. Got it.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:56 pm to kingbob
quote:
Penn State. Just like Alabama was more worthy than Ole Miss and A&M the past few years when Alabama lost to them.
I'm not sure what your "gotcha" is supposed to be.
And OSU couldn't possibly be more worthy when it lost to PSU like Alabama in your scenario.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:00 pm to bamaclownbaby
Penn. state won their conference. LSU and Ohio state didn't. Penn State also beat Ohio State head to head.
Who should be in the playoffs is not he same as "who would win this matchup on a neutral field". Better teams lose to inferior teams every week. Raw talent is never the sole decider of a game. Matchup, dispersion of talent (where that talent is on the roster), depth, luck, and scheme also play a big role.
I think LSU would win on a neutral field against Penn State, even though LSU would likely lose to several other teams (Washington, Michigan, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, ect.)
Record does matter, but so does strength of schedule, so does winning your conference, so does head to head record.
Who should be in the playoffs is not he same as "who would win this matchup on a neutral field". Better teams lose to inferior teams every week. Raw talent is never the sole decider of a game. Matchup, dispersion of talent (where that talent is on the roster), depth, luck, and scheme also play a big role.
I think LSU would win on a neutral field against Penn State, even though LSU would likely lose to several other teams (Washington, Michigan, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, ect.)
Record does matter, but so does strength of schedule, so does winning your conference, so does head to head record.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:02 pm to bamaclownbaby
Alabama still won their division and conference, and this was more deserving than A&M and Ole Miss those years when they beat Bama.
Penn State not only beat out Ohio State in their head to head matchup, but they also beat Ohio State for the division title, and won their conference title.
Penn State not only beat out Ohio State in their head to head matchup, but they also beat Ohio State for the division title, and won their conference title.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:07 pm to kingbob
So if Florida beat Alabama they would have deserved to go to the playoffs over them? If Va Tech won they should have been in the playoffs over Clemson? Was the PSU Pitt game an exhibition?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:10 pm to kingbob
PSU was the superior team to OSU being outgained by 180 yards and having 12 less minutes time of possession playing a night game at home the week after a bye and winning by 3 points on a blocked FG return?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:12 pm to bamaclownbaby
Alsbama would have deserved to be out, but Florida with their losses still would not have been in. The next best conference champ would have gotten in, either Western Michigan or Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:13 pm to bamaclownbaby
You could say the same about LSU and Florida, Wisconsin, and Auburn, yet LSU lost all 3 of those games. Points matter, not yards.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:13 pm to kingbob
I think we are done here.
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