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re: College Football Needs a Playoff System
Posted on 3/19/10 at 12:47 pm to usc6158
Posted on 3/19/10 at 12:47 pm to usc6158
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One more reason a playoff would suck
Exactly. shite, an ACC team hasn't beena viable national title option for almost a decade.
Plus you're leaving out much more deserving teams when you take 8-5 Clemson instead of 13-0 Boise State last year (if Clemson had beaten GT)
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Posted on 3/19/10 at 1:20 pm to The Easter Bunny
I would love to see the "meaningless" regular season game between, say, an undefeated LSU team and a one-loss Bama team. I am sure it would fail to generate excitement due to the possibility that the loser MIGHT be able to secure a bid into an 8 or 16 playoff. 
And even the playoff opponents would simply have to admit that the postseason would be exponentially better than the bowls which give us precisely one meaningful game per year. Of course, you would miss out on such extravaganzas as witnessed when a nearly 2/3 capacity Super Dome crowd went delirious as Florida nipped an undefeated Cinci squad.
And even the playoff opponents would simply have to admit that the postseason would be exponentially better than the bowls which give us precisely one meaningful game per year. Of course, you would miss out on such extravaganzas as witnessed when a nearly 2/3 capacity Super Dome crowd went delirious as Florida nipped an undefeated Cinci squad.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 1:47 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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And even the playoff opponents would simply have to admit that the postseason would be exponentially better than the bowls which give us precisely one meaningful game per year.
what sport are you watching? one meaningful game per year?
holy crap do i disagree with that
Posted on 3/19/10 at 2:42 pm to molsusports
Hey molsusports, take another look:
"the postseason would be exponentially better than the bowls which give us precisely one meaningful game per year."
I was saying that the BOWLS give us one really meaningful game per year, contrasting that with an 8 or 16 team playoff which would give us many either 5 or 15 meaningful games. (as background, I was arguing that the regular would not be diminished in any appreciable amount by a playoff, which is was playoff opponents fear, and I think most everyone would agree that a posteason playoff would be significantly more interesting than the current bowl slate).
"the postseason would be exponentially better than the bowls which give us precisely one meaningful game per year."
I was saying that the BOWLS give us one really meaningful game per year, contrasting that with an 8 or 16 team playoff which would give us many either 5 or 15 meaningful games. (as background, I was arguing that the regular would not be diminished in any appreciable amount by a playoff, which is was playoff opponents fear, and I think most everyone would agree that a posteason playoff would be significantly more interesting than the current bowl slate).
Posted on 3/19/10 at 2:46 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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(as background, I was arguing that the regular would not be diminished in any appreciable amount by a playoff, which is was playoff opponents fear, and I think most everyone would agree that a posteason playoff would be significantly more interesting than the current bowl slate).
Of course it would.
Look at this season. LSU is playing UNC and WVU OOC. If LSU loses either of those games they could be completely fricked for the NC. Just look at LSU vs VaTech in 2007. The loser was eliminated from the NC.
Now if we go to a playoff scenario where conference champs go then LSU can lose to both UNC and WVU and not give a frick
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:14 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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I was saying that the BOWLS give us one really meaningful game per year, contrasting that with an 8 or 16 team playoff
well I have no problem with a 4 or 6 team playoff... but am hardcore against proposals that would include 8 or 16 teams... you just get too much garbage in there with no business competing for the national championship.
that's the value of the cfb regular season. It's not perfect, it's not even always perfectly fair... but it is compelling and people love it because the consequences for losing a game are so serious for a major team. Like someone already said... it's a trapeze act with no net... and that is intrinsically more interesting that a trapeze act with a net
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:20 pm to molsusports
That's why I like the 6-team playoff w/ 1-2 getting the bye. Still HUGE incentive to finish top 2 and teams 3-6 can't bitch about not getting their shot. I'm much more comfortable w/ a 7 getting screwed than a 3-who may be undefeated. Fighting for that bye would be just as intense and one loss can potentially drop a team from 2nd to 7th. The only difference is you won't have a bunch of zombie teams who got two early losses and play out a wasted season b/c they still might be in the hunt.
And I say frick the auto-bids for conference champs. I'm totally against that. Top 6 as determined by the BCS are in. Limit 2 per conference. I know this will never happen b/c thats the system we live with, but it's nice to dream.
And I say frick the auto-bids for conference champs. I'm totally against that. Top 6 as determined by the BCS are in. Limit 2 per conference. I know this will never happen b/c thats the system we live with, but it's nice to dream.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:28 pm to Jamohn
I would take this more seriously if were, well, true:
"Like someone already said... it's a trapeze act with no net... and that is intrinsically more interesting that a trapeze act with a net"
There often IS a net; you just don't when. There was a net for LSU in 2007, but we didn't know it was there. It would not be appreciably different in any of the playoff proposals. Any team hoping to get into the field still has a HUGE incentive to go after game to the max. Even at the end of the year, seeding would be so important that "lock" teams would go all out.
By the way, the loser of LSU-VT was NOT out of the running in 2007. VT was very much in line for a title spot until the narrow loss to BC.
"Like someone already said... it's a trapeze act with no net... and that is intrinsically more interesting that a trapeze act with a net"
There often IS a net; you just don't when. There was a net for LSU in 2007, but we didn't know it was there. It would not be appreciably different in any of the playoff proposals. Any team hoping to get into the field still has a HUGE incentive to go after game to the max. Even at the end of the year, seeding would be so important that "lock" teams would go all out.
By the way, the loser of LSU-VT was NOT out of the running in 2007. VT was very much in line for a title spot until the narrow loss to BC.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:29 pm to Ethan Martin
1. A playoff that isn't only based off of conferen e champions makes the regular season pointless.
2. The fact there are 3 times as many games in basketball and baseball makes a playoff ok. This allows you to see more compettion in respect to the number of actual teams.
2. The fact there are 3 times as many games in basketball and baseball makes a playoff ok. This allows you to see more compettion in respect to the number of actual teams.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:34 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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I would take this more seriously if were, well, true:
"Like someone already said... it's a trapeze act with no net... and that is intrinsically more interesting that a trapeze act with a net"
There often IS a net; you just don't when. There was a net for LSU in 2007, but we didn't know it was there.
It is true... the value of being potentially eliminated with one mistake is what makes it more appealing
This post was edited on 3/19/10 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:36 pm to lsutiger2486
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A playoff that isn't only based off of conferen e champions makes the regular season pointless.
Huh? So you count in conference games more than out of conference games? And some random in conference games count a lot more than others?
That's fine for conference championships... make your rules for choosing a champ and then live by them... but it's a separate goal from winning a national championship
the teams that should be considered for a national championship (whether that's a single game or a multiple game playoff) should be the ones that look like they might be the best team in the country based on the whole season
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:41 pm to molsusports
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the teams that should be considered for a national championship (whether that's a single game or a multiple game playoff) should be the ones that look like they might be the best team in the country based on the whole season
If you believe in tournament style champions then conference champions should be the only logical candidates to be the NC.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:46 pm to lsutiger2486
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If you believe in tournament style champions then conference champions should be the only logical candidates to be the NC.
I mostly don't... when you allow a larger field of teams you devalue the games that make up the regular season (exactly what we see with college basketball IMO)
And besides, even with systems like college basketball and the NFL playoffs they still include at large teams (interestingly in the NFL it's your total W/L record that is considered first anyway, with your in division record the first tiebreaker)
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:50 pm to Ethan Martin
Why not have a 16 team playoff like division 1-AA?
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:57 pm to molsusports
I see nothing wrong with the 6 BCS confernce champions and the two highest rated mid major champions. Seed by the BCS computers. In the final polls the playoff winner is #1 all other rankings decided by voters.
Basically in 2007 only LSU would have been allowed into the playoff from the SEC; however it could still be LSU #1 and UGA #2 in the final polls.
Basically in 2007 only LSU would have been allowed into the playoff from the SEC; however it could still be LSU #1 and UGA #2 in the final polls.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 3:58 pm to FootballHog
Hog, the I-AA style playoff is the one I would prefer but it is too much, too soon for many folks, especially those who have never really followed I-AA.
The one thing I will allow is that there MIGHT be a dilution of the regular season but it will be VERY small. Just as an early season loss might knock you out now (but might not), it is very close to being true with even a 16 team playoff field because there would be so few at large bids to go around. I suggest that folks consider how little the drama of, say, an October game between LSU and Tenn would be diminished by the prospect of a playoff, and contrast that with how other-wordly better the playoffs would be to the bowls.
The one thing I will allow is that there MIGHT be a dilution of the regular season but it will be VERY small. Just as an early season loss might knock you out now (but might not), it is very close to being true with even a 16 team playoff field because there would be so few at large bids to go around. I suggest that folks consider how little the drama of, say, an October game between LSU and Tenn would be diminished by the prospect of a playoff, and contrast that with how other-wordly better the playoffs would be to the bowls.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 4:02 pm to lsutiger2486
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I see nothing wrong with the 6 BCS confernce champions and the two highest rated mid major champions.
Truly awful... every year you would leave out teams with outstanding resumes in favor of teams who have a bunch of losses and/or lousy schedules as well
A single game BCS championship is far better than that garbage.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 4:09 pm to molsusports
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Truly awful... every year you would leave out teams with outstanding resumes in favor of teams who have a bunch of losses and/or lousy schedules as well
A single game BCS championship is far better than that garbage.
Why should a conference get more than two in? The only conference who has a fricked up way of determining their champion is the Big 10 and they will probably fix it soon.
If you can't win your conference in college football I see no reason you should get a second chance against the team that already eliminated you In a season long tournament. That is basically the only thing you are doing by putting multiple teams into a playoff from a conference. That is just fricking stupid.
Having the champions of each conference play it out every year would be huge at the end of the year.
The only reason people want multiple teams from a conference is pure selfishness to let their team back in to a NC.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 4:13 pm to lsutiger2486
Pretty sure I'm still not going to like your proposal after you clarify this... but what do you mean:
Your proposal was to include: "6 BCS confernce champions and the two highest rated mid major champions"
That's only one team from any given conference.
Anyway, I will break out in hives whenever someone seriously suggests a system that allows teams with a bunch of losses in the regular season a "do-over" and entry into a playoff system... just because they played in a lousy conference
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Why should a conference get more than two in?
Your proposal was to include: "6 BCS confernce champions and the two highest rated mid major champions"
That's only one team from any given conference.
Anyway, I will break out in hives whenever someone seriously suggests a system that allows teams with a bunch of losses in the regular season a "do-over" and entry into a playoff system... just because they played in a lousy conference
Posted on 3/19/10 at 4:24 pm to molsusports
6 best teams.
Regardless of conference affiliation.
Determined by BCS formula.
Crappy conferences can continue to send their crappy champions to those meaningless bowl exhibition games they and fans of current system love so much. No automatic playoff bids.
OOC schedules stay relevant.
Reg season still intense.
Regardless of conference affiliation.
Determined by BCS formula.
Crappy conferences can continue to send their crappy champions to those meaningless bowl exhibition games they and fans of current system love so much. No automatic playoff bids.
OOC schedules stay relevant.
Reg season still intense.
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