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re: Can someone explain the different Usssa classifications

Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by YeahYeah
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Posted on 6/29/16 at 2:21 pm to
Yep, you can do both. We have a good working relationship with the other coaches on campus so we offset our workouts to allow kids to do both.

We let the kid decide which sport he wants to lift with but we do ask that he makes time to participate in the on field practices with all the sports he plays.

Example we have several that play baseball and football. They like to lift with football early in the morning and then go to baseball at 9am. Baseball lifts after their on field work.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60294 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:05 pm to
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In louisiana, if the high school coach cares about his program he will keep his team together all summer and play in tournaments.



Coaches would love to do this, but it's tough to do when Marucci Elite, Team Louisiana, Lousiana Knights, EvoShield, etc. come calling. Hard for a kid to turn down those guys and opportunities to play in front of college coaches every weekend. Other coaches want their kids to relax for a while and rest up for football. Lift/run, but limit camps/baseball.
Posted by YeahYeah
Member since Jun 2016
2183 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:24 pm to
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Coaches would love to do this, but it's tough to do when Marucci Elite, Team Louisiana, Lousiana Knights, EvoShield, etc. come calling. Hard for a kid to turn down those guys and opportunities to play in front of college coaches every weekend.

We play in the same tournaments as all those teams in front of the same college coaches. Only difference is our kids pay half the price.

2D Sports, Marucci, Southeast Showcase Series, and all those other organizations usually put their schedules out in January. We pick the ones that best fit our schedule and sign up early. Our summer schedule is usually complete before the end of March

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JJ27

I do agree that those organizations offer good coaching and provide a great opportunity for kids whose coaches don't keep them together
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Westlakeguy10
La
Member since Jan 2012
2011 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:27 pm to
My nephew plays for Smash. They made it to the semis last weekend in a 8uAA bracket in Laffayette. The Banditos 7u team is going to be in this tourney. My nephew is playing two teams from Okla. in there pool play. Smash just moved up to AAA i think 2 or 3 months ago after winning 3 straight tourney.
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted by baseballmind1212
Missouri City
Member since Feb 2011
3255 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:39 pm to
yeah yeah you in BR?

Sounds a lot like my old school's program.

When I played in it were still playing just summer league. The year after I left they started traveling together playing in wwba and other huge tourneys.

Made a huge difference for the program.
Posted by Westlakeguy10
La
Member since Jan 2012
2011 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 4:58 pm to
How accurate are the ranking systems on Usssa site. The point system is kinda wonky but wins/loses is a factor in it.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60294 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 5:26 pm to
Not accurate at all if you go by USSSA points. That's just teams that played the most UTrip tournaments/paid the most money. A more accurate gauge is the Power Rating.
Posted by Dick Leverage
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Posted on 6/29/16 at 5:42 pm to
I guess we are the exception to the rule where we live in West Georgia. The rec all star team (10u) I coach didn't make the sanctioned State tournament as we went 2-2 in District. But we blasted the shite out of two different AA travel ball teams in practice tournaments. One came in from Alabama and the other was made up of semi-local players. We beat a AA travel team in our first district game as well. (Not even sure how travel teams get to play in the rec sanctioned tourneys but I was told there were loopholes some departments jump through to do so)

The two teams we lost to and who met in the finals blasted everyone else. Both of those teams would destroy any AA travel team I have seen in West Ga.. My experience has shown that up to AA travel ball, it is basically a group of dads who think their kids are special ball players when half of them wouldn't play on our all star team.
Posted by YeahYeah
Member since Jun 2016
2183 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 6:29 pm to
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yeah yeah you in BR?

Yeah, this is my 3rd year in BR. Before this I was in Miami for 5 years
Posted by Marlo Stanfield
Member since Aug 2008
2065 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 7:33 pm to
The 7u team in our organization has split with the 7u banditos team this season. Our 7u team is legit and has gone 24-5 in their last 29 games. They are playing in the usssa World Series this weekend. They just so happen to play one of the teams they have played 8 times this year and and went 5-3 against them. Our 7u team is still AA for some reason but I don't think they moved up many, if any, 7u teams in Texas to AAA this season. I'm not as well versed on 7u as I am 8u admittedly. I have a bunch of friends on that 7u team though.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 7:48 pm to
They have kids pitching at 7 years old and they are not all stars?
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14089 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 8:03 pm to
It is important to remember....

No kid should swing a bat that cost more than his batting average. Nothing better than a kid that swings a $289 bat and hits .167...... At 7 years old!

Posted by jac1280
Member since Dec 2007
5380 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 8:24 pm to
I have been umpiring USSSA baseball for the past 5 seasons all over southeast Louisiana. The difference between A/AA and AAA/Major is unbelievable. There is no doubt in my mind that most of those A/AA kids are nothing more than kids whose parents with money who want to say their kid "plays travel ball."

Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 8:50 pm to
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Maybe I took the OP wrong. The OP said, JUST in 7U there are x amount of differences and was asking for clarification. In 7u, yes AAA is the highest and there are good AA teams. Once you get to an appropriate age for travel ball, not 7 years old imo, the gap between Major and AA is unbelievable. I've seen major teams destroy even really good AAA teams. I've seen "Open" tournaments change their classification as soon as a Major called to enter.

AA is generally bad and typically just a money grab from coaches/organizations. Major teams can be honestly laughable with their recruitment/tactics. I saw an 11 year old flown in to pitch one game for a tournament in Shreveport. That's just crazy to me. He lost btw on a balk.

Then again, I don't think there's any reason to travel on a team until at least 11-12 years old. Gives you 3-4 years on a travel team to see better competition before high school.
Team I played on as a kid was a local playground team that decided to play in travel ball tournaments because we were good. We ended up getting a few kids from around the area to try out, but almost all of the players on our team were from the same local park. We were just fricking legit. Played AAA and Major. Won a ton of tournaments and went to a World Series every year (Triple Crown WS 2x, Super Series WS, USSSA WS, and PONY WS).

And we didn't play year round either. I played other sports throughout the year.

I disagree with not playing travel ball until 11 or 12 years old. We would not have been tested at all if we played local playground ball. The playground competition was just not even close.

People here hate on "travel ball"... but it was a really fun time. Maybe my experience is different because we were essentially a local playground team that was competing with (and beating) the best teams at the highest classification who get kids from all over the area. It's probably over-zealous parents that give travel ball a bad name. But our group wasn't like that and we had fun.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76283 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 9:21 pm to
Jesus, when did baseball become so complicated.
Posted by Westlakeguy10
La
Member since Jan 2012
2011 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 9:56 pm to
My nephew plays Mad Dawgs (Austin), Pistols(Okla. City) and Fort Bend (Sugar Land). Just think its crazy to drag kids across the country at this age.
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10201 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:50 pm to
Wow, 5 downvotes for my post questioning whether travel ball is good for the game.

Legitimate reasons or just tourney coordinators feeling their livelihoods threatened?
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10201 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:00 pm to
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People here hate on "travel ball"... but it was a really fun time. Maybe my experience is different because we were essentially a local playground team that was competing with (and beating) the best teams at the highest classification who get kids from all over the area. It's probably over-zealous parents that give travel ball a bad name. But our group wasn't like that and we had fun.


Just saw your post...I think this paragraph is pretty fair. There can be good experiences with "travel ball" (like yours) but there are a lot of bad elements out there too.

In a perfect world, youth baseball with quality competition wouldn't be expensive, wouldn't require parents to rack up miles on the road, and would consist of kids playing with their friends. You can do all of that with good, well-run leagues with competent people in charge and nice facilities. Then at the end you can go to 1-2 out-of-town tourneys and have a blast.
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 11:02 pm
Posted by cajun12
Houma, LA
Member since Sep 2004
2461 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:13 pm to
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The two teams we lost to and who met in the finals blasted everyone else. Both of those teams would destroy any AA travel team I have seen in West Ga


Ill bet those two teams are using travel ball players in an all star tourney
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 11:44 pm to
I think one of them did. I know a lot of the kids and 2 of the coaches on the other one and their team was pooled from nine 9-10 year old rec teams. I believe 4 came off one team and all other teams in their league had 1 player and a couple had 2. They were just so strong pitching. I watched a few of their games and they had at least 6 pitchers that could throw very well. Our best pitcher would have been the 3rd or 4th best on their team. We only had four 9-10 teams to pool from. We do have a 10u travel team but we scrimmaged them twice and beat them pretty handily. There are 3 players on that team of 12 that would be on our all star team had they played rec this year.

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