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re: Breaking news: Non-referee entered refs locker room and took game balls
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:22 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:22 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Well, are you going to actual Kill me? If you do, without gathering the proper data first without ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER, then yes, it is a witchunt. So please Link me to the league already punishing the Patriots
I THINK you're a ginger and should be burned at the stake.
die, ginger
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:23 pm to boom roasted
quote:He isnt from South La, this is prolly going over his head
Bill been witchhunt and been dealing with acquisition after acquisition
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:26 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Well, are you going to actual Kill me? If you do, without gathering the proper data first without ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER, then yes, it is a witchunt. So please Link me to the league already punishing the Patriots
What's the fun in that? I never said I was gonna kill you, just that you deserve it. It's what I THINK.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:28 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:
What's the fun in that? I never said I was gonna kill you, just that you deserve it. It's what I THINK.
So you think there should be zero investigation here? That is what you are sayingPosted on 1/27/15 at 4:29 pm to lsupride87
From your link:
" Once they do that, that ball has met the requirements, and they put them in a bag, and they stay in that room with them, that locker room, until they leave to go to the field about 10 minutes before kickoff.
“So there’s a 10-minute window where they hand those footballs off to the ballboys, and the ballboys then walk out with the officials and bring them out on the field. So that’s where the confusion is. Where did any of this occur? "
Those statements by Daopoulos indicate that the refs screwed up and didn't follow protocol. If they were in that room with the balls until they handed the balls off to the ballboy, and the ballboy, per protocol, was supposed to walk out onto the field WITH THE OFFICIALS, then the refs are the ones who need to explain how the ballboy was by himself in possession of the balls. If the ballboy said I have to stop to take a leak, the refs would break their own protocol by saying okay, see ya out on the field then, no problem. And even in that scenario, how would the ballboy know in advance that one of the refs wouldn't say okay, I'll hold the ball bags while you hit the head?
That interview raises more issues than it answers.
" Once they do that, that ball has met the requirements, and they put them in a bag, and they stay in that room with them, that locker room, until they leave to go to the field about 10 minutes before kickoff.
“So there’s a 10-minute window where they hand those footballs off to the ballboys, and the ballboys then walk out with the officials and bring them out on the field. So that’s where the confusion is. Where did any of this occur? "
Those statements by Daopoulos indicate that the refs screwed up and didn't follow protocol. If they were in that room with the balls until they handed the balls off to the ballboy, and the ballboy, per protocol, was supposed to walk out onto the field WITH THE OFFICIALS, then the refs are the ones who need to explain how the ballboy was by himself in possession of the balls. If the ballboy said I have to stop to take a leak, the refs would break their own protocol by saying okay, see ya out on the field then, no problem. And even in that scenario, how would the ballboy know in advance that one of the refs wouldn't say okay, I'll hold the ball bags while you hit the head?
That interview raises more issues than it answers.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:30 pm to NHTIGER
quote:He makes it clear the balls should never be in anyone's hands outside the officials view after inspection. That is very clear
then walk out with the officials
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:30 pm to lsupride87
quote:
So you think there should be zero investigation here? That is what you are saying
It doesn't matter, it's just a message board. I'm not on a jury. I hope they investigate. I am free to THINK what I want.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:31 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Good. So you dont think it is a witchunt than
It doesn't matter, it's just a message board. I'm not on a jury. I hope they investigate. I am free to THINK what I want.
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:32 pm to lsupride87
Sounds like the refs goofed then.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:32 pm to lsupride87
You act like a squirrel ginger. And you probably are a member of occupy wall street.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:34 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Ouch
You act like a squirrel ginger. And you probably are a member of occupy wall street.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:35 pm to NeathOrangeandBlue
quote:Correct. That, or the equipment manager went in their room without their knowledge.
Sounds like the refs goofed then
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:37 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Here I am, at least I am jacked though
ginger. And you probably are a member of occupy wall street.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:40 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Correct. That, or the equipment manager went in their room without their knowledge.
Doubtful. The refs should have still been in their locker room. And why would he remove both sets of balls?
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:54 pm to lsupride87
quote:
quote:
Sounds like the refs goofed then
Correct. That, or the equipment manager went in their room without their knowledge.
For the eleventy-eleventh time, the refs , per protocol, be it 1 or 2 or 3 of them, doesn't matter, are required, per the protocol, to stay in the room with the balls, not leave the room locked but unattended. In addition, there are cameras on just about every square inch at Gillette, particularly there would be one pointed at the door of the officials' room. (No way there would not be. The security of the refs themselves would dictate that.) So if ANY unauthorized person entered the refs room when the balls were there, two things would have had to happen: (1) the refs would have abandoned protocol and gone AWOL on oversight of the balls and (2) even if they did fail in that regard, there would still be video of the ballboy (presumably with a PATS-issued key ) letting himself INTO the improperly unattended room, and video of him LEAVING the room with the bags of ball, and then more video of him returning the bags of balls to the unattended room after releasing the air in the bathroom (and how would the ball boy know the AWOL refs would not come back while he was in there and discover the game balls had been heisted?). The risks involved would be mindblowing, and the ballboy would surely know his actions would be picked up by the security cameras.
I spell that scenario l-u-d-i-c-r-o-u-s !
Posted on 1/27/15 at 4:57 pm to NHTIGER
quote:I agree, it looks like the refs def screwed up in letting someone take the balls out of their sight. I have not seen anything that suggests this though,
For the eleventy-eleventh time, the refs , per protocol, be it 1 or 2 or 3 of them, doesn't matter, are required, per the protocol, to stay in the room with the balls, not leave the room locked but unattended. In addition, there are cameras on just about every square inch at Gillette, particularly there would be one pointed at the door of the officials' room. (No way there would not be. The security of the refs themselves would dictate that.) So if ANY unauthorized person entered the refs room when the balls were there, two things would have had to happen: (1) the refs would have abandoned protocol and gone AWOL on oversight of the balls and (2) even if they did fail in that regard, there would still be video of the ballboy (presumably with a PATS-issued key ) letting himself INTO the improperly unattended room, and video of him LEAVING the room with the bags of ball, and then more video of him returning the bags of balls to the unattended room after releasing the air in the bathroom (and how would the ball boy know the AWOL refs would not come back while he was in there and discover the game balls had been heisted?). The risks involved would be mindblowing, and the ballboy would surely know his actions would be picked up by the security cameras.
For the eleventy-eleventh time, the refs , per protocol, be it 1 or 2 or 3 of them, doesn't matter, are required, per the protocol, to stay in the room with the balls, not leave the room locked but unattended.
Not saying you are wrong I just havent read this anywhere
Posted on 1/27/15 at 5:11 pm to lsupride87
quote:
For the eleventy-eleventh time, the refs , per protocol, be it 1 or 2 or 3 of them, doesn't matter, are required, per the protocol, to stay in the room with the balls, not leave the room locked but unattended.
Not saying you are wrong I just havent read this anywhere
quote:
For the eleventy-eleventh time, the refs , per protocol, be it 1 or 2 or 3 of them, doesn't matter, are required, per the protocol, to stay in the room with the balls, not leave the room locked but unattended.
Not saying you are wrong I just havent read this anywhere
My good man, I got it from your link, from the former NFL supervisor of officials :
" Once they do that, that ball has met the requirements, and they put them in a bag, and they stay in that room with them, that locker room, until they leave to go to the field about 10 minutes before kickoff."
Even if there has been a change since he retired to allowing NFL security to remain in the room with the balls instead , as opposed to officials , everything else about my premise remains the same. The security guy would have had to leave his post, the ballboy would have had to know that he would (otherwise, how and when would he get his deflation opportunity), and the ballboy would have to to remove the balls and KNOW he could get them back to the refs room before either the security guy or the officials returned. (And then there's the video of the refs locker room door.) Because otherwise, he'd be caught in the act before the game, and this story would have exploded before kickoff.
Anyway, in the spirit of discussion,
back at ya.Posted on 1/27/15 at 5:17 pm to NHTIGER
Unless the refs were paid off to let the air out of the balls themselves, I am starting to doubt that the Patriots were complicit in any of this.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 8:45 pm to moneyg
quote:Look no further than the Bengals. They're accused of receiving texts during games, which is just as illegal as the deflating footballs. It was a blip on the radar.
I disagree with all of this.
I'm pulling for the Patriots and I think this is a legit story.
if CLE had deflating footballs and NE had receiving texts, still no one would care about CLE, and everyone would be going nuts about NE's texts.
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