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shuke33
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anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?

Mel Kiper just grilled him on sportscenter for not knowing any players on Rutgers' football team. (It's Rutgers, but his job is to "scout" players.")


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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
ESPN on ESPN crime is so awesome.


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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
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ESPN on ESPN crime is so awesome.





But yes, McShay gets a lot of flack and it's generally well-deserved.
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LooseCannon22282
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
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anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?


yeah probably.


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stapuffmarshy
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
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anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?



he was hired to get under Kiper's skin



he's so good at it, he gets under fans skin too


guy is a total fraud, you know this already Jevon Sneed


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Robot Santa
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
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but his job is to "scout" players."


His job is to disagree with Mel Kiper on pretty much everything and create arguments and controversy. He's pretty good at it.

He sucks at evaluating talent though.


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OneMoreTime
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
Everyone knows that he is.


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Kafka
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
ESPN created him so Kiper would have someone to argue with and give it the Bayless vs whoever dynamic


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Bear Is Dead
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
Hate all you want, those two guys have the best damn job in the world


castorinho
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
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those two guys have the best damn job in the world





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brewhan davey
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Tds & Beer
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
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anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?


besides all the NFL scouts?


Lester Earl
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
any person in the media that evaluates players could be called a fraud.

shite even the best scouts could be called frauds.

I love how people act like it is an exact science


rocket31
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
yeah, doesn't mcshay have a pretty decent record of predicting picks? i could be misremembering though...


SlowFlowPro
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
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those two guys have the best damn job in the world

let me just defend kiper here

kiper built himself by himself, before ESPN. ESPN was smart enough to latch onto him long ago

mcshay is a pretty face with a good delivery ESPN hired to be their Scouts Inc. face, and to be the rhetorical opponent to kiper. i don't even know if mcshay really does stuff himself. i think scouts inc. tells him what to say


OneMoreTime
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
I'll just leave this here LINK


SlowFlowPro
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
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I'll just leave this here LINK



i'll defend mcshay a bit

quote:

A common name we’ve heard when it comes to McShay is Andre Woodson. McShay championed Woodson during the 2007 season. Woodson ended up being a sixth-round pick, and he’s now out of the league.


woodson's career was derailed at the senior bowl b/c mike martz fricked up his mechanics and he became a mental mess afterwards

also

quote:

On draft day McShay will look like a fool because whether or not you like Clausen as a person he is very talented,” the source said. “He has more training and game time in a pro system than any quarterback in the draft. His improvement from ’08 to ’09 was tremendous. If Notre Dame had a defense, Charlie Weis would still be there coaching. Offense was not the problem.

mcshay was more correct about jimmy than this scout ripping mcshay. scouting is an art, not a science

scouting also involves projecting things that are impossible to predict, like how hard somebody works once drafted, system fit, etc
This post was edited on 11/29 at 2:51 pm


rocket31
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yeah, mcshay did peg clausen very well; better than kiper

i think mayock is the *best* though
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BRgetthenet
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
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kiper built himself by himself, before ESPN.


True, but you know his dad helped a ton.


SlowFlowPro
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re: anyone think Todd McShay is a fraud?
i'm just talking about building his little cottage industry without ESPN's help, not individual help


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