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Albert Breer: 4th and 15 onside kick proposal doesn't pass **EDIT** tabled
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:02 pm
per his twitter
ETA Pelissero clarifies
ETA Pelissero clarifies
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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25m
There was no official vote on the 4th-and-15 proposal, but they did take a (virtual) show of hands and it did not have the support to pass at this time. A bold idea that would've needed 24 of 32 votes. Expect it to come up again.
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Three rules change proposals were approved:
2. Make permanent expansion of automatic replay reviews to include scoring plays/turnovers negated by foul
8. Expands defenseless player protection for KR/PR
9. Prevents manipulation of game clock with multiple deal-ball fouls
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Also approved was the competition committee report, which includes a plan to test in the preseason expanded booth-to-official communication with certain objective info. A narrower change than the broad “sky judge” proposals that were withdrawn, but a notable step coaches support.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 1:38 pm
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:03 pm to sicboy
good, was a dumb idea to begin with
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:07 pm to sicboy
nice to see the nfl stick to the core rules and not cave to the fantasy football nerds for once
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:08 pm to lsufball19
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good, was a dumb idea to begin with
I like it as an alternative choice (though maybe not just 15 yards), but it shouldn't preclude the use of an offside kick in any way.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:08 pm to sicboy
Football is way too perfect, we really need to gimmick it up. It's what the people want.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:11 pm to sicboy
Not surprising. I would think it's a lot easier to convert that with the way offenses are going, than recover an onside kick, which needs far more to happen to be successful
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:13 pm to GeauxAggie972
Pass interference on that play would cause so many melts.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:17 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Pass interference on that play would cause so many melts.
Oh definitely or a defensive holding. I think there's way too many ways to convert that 4th and 15, where an onside kick doesn't have a penalty that really helps out
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:24 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Pass interference on that play would cause so many melts.
Limiting the # of attempts to 2 is also stupid. If a team wants to try a bunch of onside kicks, they should be allowed to.
The proposal would have also eliminated the surprise onside kick from the game, which is a rarely used but awesome thing.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:25 pm to GeauxAggie972
I don't have a huge problem either way. You should be able to recover an onside kick to protect your lead. You should also be able to stop a team from getting 15 yards when you know they have to get 15 yards on one play.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:28 pm to sicboy
Good. If the team couldn't score enough points to prevent themselves from being in that situation, they deserve to have the odds against them in crunch time. 4th and 15 is a joke to so many teams. 4th and 25 on your own 2, now that's some tough shite.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:31 pm to Spelt it rong
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4th and 15 is a joke to so many teams.
People keep saying this, but if it was so easy to pull off, why don't more teams go for it on 4th and 15.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:37 pm to jackwoods4
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People keep saying this, but if it was so easy to pull off, why don't more teams go for it on 4th and 15.
Risk/reward. In the typical onside kick situation you're almost certain to lose anyway, so failing to convert doesn't change anything really.
I don't care what the stats say, a 4th and 15 is easier to convert than an onside kick.
Your team actually practices 4th and 15 situations a lot, and you have the penalty bail out as an option.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:38 pm to PEPE
OP edited. The change has been tabled for further discussion.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:44 pm to sicboy
Eisen said yesterday automatic first down penalties stay the same. Some chickenshit illegal contact penalty moves the chains. That aint right.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:44 pm to jackwoods4
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People keep saying this, but if it was so easy to pull off, why don't more teams go for it on 4th and 15.
Come on. It's all about the situation, and you know that. Not many teams are put in a 4th and 15 for starters, and generally the ones that are, are not the teams I think would be able to convert very easily. All this rule would do is give the really good teams that are having a slight off day the chance to prevent upsets.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:52 pm to Dr. 3
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automatic first down penalties
I'm in favor of abolishing ALL automatic first down penalties.
A 3rd and 20 shouldn't become a 1st and 10 because of a 5 yard peantly, ever.
Enforce the yardage, if it produces a first down, so be it. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:53 pm to Winston Cup
Nothing to do with fantasy
Impossible to get an onside kick with new rules. Something gotta happen
Impossible to get an onside kick with new rules. Something gotta happen
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:54 pm to PEPE
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A 3rd and 20 shouldn't become a 1st and 10 because of a 5 yard peantly, ever.
I agree, but teams will intentionally hold/interfere. Refs won't call it every time.
I wish they'd get rid of the spot foul on PI.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 2:55 pm to sicboy
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9. Prevents manipulation of game clock with multiple deal-ball fouls
a Bill Belichick special
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