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Aeneas Williams vs John Lynch HOF credentials
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:27 am
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:27 am
Aeneas Williams, former Az Cards & StL Rams DB was the only secondary player elected this yr and Lynch was snubbed so lets compare
Aeneas Williams - played 13 years
8× Pro Bowl (1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2003)
4× First-team All-Pro (1995, 1996, 1997, 2001)
Second-team All-Pro (1994)
NFC champion
Bart Starr Man of the Year Award (1999)
NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
NFL Career Stats
795 Tackles
55 Ints
3 Sacks
John Lynch - played 14 seasons
9× Pro Bowl (1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007)
4× All-Pro (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002)
Super Bowl champion (XXXVII)
NFL Alumni Defensive Back of the Year (2000)
Bart Starr Man of the Year Award (2006)
"Whizzer" White NFL Man of the Year (2006)
Junior Seau Foundation Legend of the Year Award (2010)
NFL Career Stats
1,058 Tackles
26 Ints
13 Sacks
(Shoe-in for 200's all-decade team)
Lynch has been eligible for induction since 2010, now I understand him not making it obviously in a nod to Deion (2 yrs ago I think?) but this year he should've been in over Aeneas Williams
Aeneas Williams - played 13 years
8× Pro Bowl (1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2003)
4× First-team All-Pro (1995, 1996, 1997, 2001)
Second-team All-Pro (1994)
NFC champion
Bart Starr Man of the Year Award (1999)
NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
NFL Career Stats
795 Tackles
55 Ints
3 Sacks
John Lynch - played 14 seasons
9× Pro Bowl (1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007)
4× All-Pro (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002)
Super Bowl champion (XXXVII)
NFL Alumni Defensive Back of the Year (2000)
Bart Starr Man of the Year Award (2006)
"Whizzer" White NFL Man of the Year (2006)
Junior Seau Foundation Legend of the Year Award (2010)
NFL Career Stats
1,058 Tackles
26 Ints
13 Sacks
(Shoe-in for 200's all-decade team)
Lynch has been eligible for induction since 2010, now I understand him not making it obviously in a nod to Deion (2 yrs ago I think?) but this year he should've been in over Aeneas Williams
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Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:31 am to BuccWildBammer
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he should've been in over Aeneas Williams
Agreed
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:34 am to BuccWildBammer
The Junior Seau legend of the year award? In 2010? Who gives a shite?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:35 am to webbgem
Yeah now of course I'm a TB Bucs fanboy 
But I woke up this morning expecting 2 guys in the HoF because his stats and the name alone (He was so feared) didn't even compare to anyone in the running
And he loses out to AENEAS WILLIAMS?
At least Derrick Brooks got in on his 1st ballot
But I woke up this morning expecting 2 guys in the HoF because his stats and the name alone (He was so feared) didn't even compare to anyone in the running
And he loses out to AENEAS WILLIAMS?
At least Derrick Brooks got in on his 1st ballot
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:38 am to BuccWildBammer
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"Whizzer" White NFL Man of the Year (2006)
that is mighty white of you to point that out.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:41 am to BuccWildBammer
You could kinda flip a coin with those 2. Neither really struck me as shoo in HOF types, though both were amongst the best at their positions for a while. Doesn't the HOF do weird stuff when it comes to inducting teammates in the same year?
I'm kinda surprised Will Shields didn't make it. Dude was like a 9 time All Pro and always mentioned with guys like Larry Allen and Faneca as the best guards of his era.
I'm kinda surprised Will Shields didn't make it. Dude was like a 9 time All Pro and always mentioned with guys like Larry Allen and Faneca as the best guards of his era.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:48 am to LooseCannon22282
From Wiki page
Posted on 2/2/14 at 8:54 am to ATLTiger
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You could kinda flip a coin with those 2.
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Neither really struck me as shoo in HOF types, though both were amongst the best at their positions for a while.
Aeneas Williams was for his time. Lynch is one of the greatest to ever play his position, easily the most feared player on both teams defenses he played on. Aeneas can't say that
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Doesn't the HOF do weird stuff when it comes to inducting teammates in the same year?
Only thing I can think of for why this happened.
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I'm kinda surprised Will Shields didn't make it. Dude was like a 9 time All Pro and always mentioned with guys like Larry Allen and Faneca as the best guards of his era.
Also was snubbed and sadly I think the Seahawks guy got the nod
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:13 am to BuccWildBammer
I think Brian Dawkins gets in before Lynch. Better player IMO
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:16 am to BuccWildBammer
You are leaving out a few things about Williams
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Over his career he accumulated a staggering 12 defensive touchdowns (9 interceptions returned for a touchdown, and 3 fumbles recovered for touchdowns), and 55 career interceptions, cementing his place as one of the most dominating defensive backs of his era. He also recovered 23 fumbles and gained 1,075 total defensive return yards (807 from interceptions and 268 from fumbles). He was also a 4-time All-Pro selection. His 268 fumble return yards are an NFL record
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:24 am to Sevendust912
quote:Yup. Factor in that Lynch was surrounded by better players his whole career.
I think Brian Dawkins gets in before Lynch. Better player IMO
Saying a safety played on one of the best defenses of all time actually works AGAINST in a comparison argument against a corner like Williams. Lynch benefitted from an all-time great pass-rush, superb LBs, and some phenomenal corners that allowed him to patrol the middle and wreck shite.
Williams had a much tougher job and performed brilliantly IMO.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:38 am to Jamohn
Didn't Williams win the SB in 1999 with the Rams? I don't see that listed.
ETA: NM, still with the Cardinals
ETA: NM, still with the Cardinals
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 9:39 am
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:43 am to BuccWildBammer
Williams was more of a coverage safety. Lynch was decent in coverage, but better in tackling/rushing the QB.
Different type of players. I appreciate your fandom, but Williams was just as good as Lynch, just in a different way. He deserves to be in and has been eligible longer.
Also, Lynch was part of a system (Tampa-2) and on great defenses. That will probably work against him. Some players on great teams are still waiting to get in. Reed had to wait until after Jim Kelly & Thurman Thomas, etc. of Buffalo. How long did Lynn Swann wait to make it?
Different type of players. I appreciate your fandom, but Williams was just as good as Lynch, just in a different way. He deserves to be in and has been eligible longer.
Also, Lynch was part of a system (Tampa-2) and on great defenses. That will probably work against him. Some players on great teams are still waiting to get in. Reed had to wait until after Jim Kelly & Thurman Thomas, etc. of Buffalo. How long did Lynn Swann wait to make it?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:48 am to BuccWildBammer
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he should've been in over Aeneas Williams
No.
First Williams is a corner and Lynch is a strong safety. Second, Williams was easily one of the top corners of his generation. The only one of his contemporaries whom I would immediately take over him is Deion Sanders.
I have nothing against Lynch, but to argue that he should be in over Williams is absurd.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:59 am to Suntiger
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Williams was more of a coverage safety
Credibility: lost
Williams was a cornerback
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:04 am to BuccWildBammer
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Lynch is one of the greatest to ever play his position, easily the most feared player on both teams defenses he played on. Aeneas can't say that
I understand you are a 20 year old fricking redneck retard who just start following football 2 years ago when his bestie became a G.A. at Bama, but you are really really talking out of your arse.
You mean to tell me that a cover corner wasn't as feared as a strong safety? GTFO.
The NFL just couldn't handle the Bucs hiring the best TE coaching hire in NFL history AND getting 2 guys in the hall all in the same year, I guess.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:07 am to KBeezy
Technically he was both, he switched to FS with the Rams, but yeah he obviously made his mark as a CB
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:08 am to BuccWildBammer
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(Shoe-in for 200's all-decade team)
also, huge LOL at this. Lynch was a Bronco shell of himself by 2004. You may want to google Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:12 am to Jamohn
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I think Brian Dawkins gets in before Lynch. Better player IMO
Yup. Factor in that Lynch was surrounded by better players his whole career.
Yeah I might even put Adrian Wilson ahead of Lynch
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:13 am to Sevendust912
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Yeah I might even put Adrian Wilson ahead of Lynch
Lets not get crazy here
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