re: 2024 NASCAR Season Thread

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Exactly! Gluck said it last night, there technically doesn't have to be a line on the track. Like Churchill Downs, wherever NASCAR sets the cameras is the line.

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So the competitor on the race tracks, or fan sitting in the stands or watching from home doesn't know where the finish line actually is. You don't see this as a problem? You don't see how this has the potential for manipulating the outcome? Last night, moving that line 6 or 8 inches either way could have made a difference in the race.

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So basically you have a problem with FOX and/or NASCAR not illustrating that camera line for us viewers. Okay fair, but last night's finish was unprecedented in Cup Series history, so it's hardly a huge issue to address.

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I'm not upset with Fox. My issue is with nascar and the transparency of the issue. And we've have two of these this season. I wouldn't say it's "unprecedented".

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Have you ever watched other sports? Nba has to go to NY for a review or to see if clock beat at end. Nfl has to go to replay to see if first down or ball caught. Baseball has to review if someone made base before tag.

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I mainly just watch college football. Up until this year I caught about 75% of all nascar races. This year I've watched part of Daytona, part of Phenix and the end of last nights race (we turned it on just after that start of stage 3). I don't watch the NBA (but I went to a jazz game this year) or the NFL except for the Superbowl.

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Nascar has the same thing. During a last lap caution they use the timing lines and visual. For a close race they use technology. Its not new tech its been used in many sports.

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This is directly to my point.

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Instead of waiting 5 minutes like other sports they knew within 30 seconds.

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I won't dispute the speed of the decision other than it was changed from what was on the scoring pylon at the end of the race. That's not my issue.

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For someone who says they never watched (liar) and doesn’t dispute the finish (liar) you’ve have a massive and utter meltdown over this. Your hated team won and you don’t like it.

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Who says I'm having a meltdown. I'm simply presenting facts on why I personally think that there are some major issues with the technology. I keep asking the question and NOBODY has given the answer. How do you KNOW where the finish line actually is with Nascar's fancy camera? We know where they SAY it is, but how can we KNOW that where it really is? Answer that question with certainty and I'll shut up.

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For someone who says they never watched (liar) and doesn’t dispute the finish (liar) you’ve have a massive and utter meltdown over this. Your hated team won and you don’t like it.

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If this is true, other than my initial post or two show me where I've said that the 17 should have won. I've said we can't conclusively determine a winner because we don't know where the magic camera is aimed, but that's not the same thing as saying one car or the other SHOULD have won. I'm sorry if you don't have enough brain power to distinguish between the two.

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Many posters here have replied and explained. Yet you have more posts than anyone melting about it.

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Again, trying to get a straight answer out of folks isn't melting. It's forcing you knuckle heads to use your heads for something besides a hat rack. So far you've all been unsuccessful. You've all parroted back what nascar has said, but that doesn't answer the question I've asked over and over. You can't answer it, because there is no answer. We don't know where on the track nascar aims the camera and if we don't know that we don't TRULY know who the winner is and at what spot.

As for the rest of it. Think what you want. I could write war and Peace on here and it won't change your opinion. This is likely my last season as a nascar fan. I'll occasionally watch a race when I have time, but from the few races I've seen this year, the appeal just isn't there for me anymore. I've been watching since the 1970's, kind of sad for me to think this is the end. On the plus side, I get Sunday's back with my family...

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No, because as stated, the cameras are lined up at the front edge of the painted start/finish line, so it's reasonable to deduce where it is.

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That's what is STATED. How do we know they are telling the truth? This is the root of my issue. There is no way to hold nascar accountable with the statement under the current setup.

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Not seriously, no. Again, they use two cameras, and it takes around an hour to set them up each weekend. It seems like a ridiculous stretch to believe they'd actually be able to manipulate an outcome seconds after a race. I highly doubt many fans are concerned about it happening either.

The cameras are also used to determine the leader after every lap, so even if a camera was accidentally askew 6 to 8 inches, that would be identified earlier in the weekend.

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I'm not saying anything is being done intentionally, but with TWO cameras couldn't you aim them in two spots and pick the result you wanted? With no independent, outside verification on where they are aimed how would we know based on the type of image(s) the camera produces?

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Just stop responding to him. He's clearly not stupid so he's just being intentionally dense to be a troll. It's not worth your time.

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Thanks for the compliment, but I'm really NOT trolling. I'm just been waiting on an answer to a question I've asked over and over.

Sleeping on it two things occurred to me. When I was younger I took my ex backpacking along the Appalachian trail in Virginia. The last morning we woke up to fog and a terrible rainstorm. It was an open area surrounded by 4 trails, two running N/S and two running E/W. There was literally no way we could get lost if we followed the compass. I knew that we could bushwhack our way across the bald and save ourselves a couple hours worth of hiking. About 1.5-2 miles into the hike she said to me, "Show me where we are on this map." I drew a rectangle around the area we were in and said, "We're in this box." She said, "No. I want to know exactly where we are." I repeated "We're in this box." It's the same thing here. That's the reason nobody has been able to answer the question, because "We're in this box." Like I said, Precision vs Accuracy. I was 100% accurate with my answer, just not very precise.

The question yall should have asked me is, "Does it matter?" I'm sure I would have had some sort of come back but ultimately the answer to any reply given is that It's Nascar's sand box. They don't have to explain it to us anymore than they have." If I'm truly unhappy about the lack of transparency that only presents itself only once every few years (even though it's happened twice this season already) then I'm welcome to start my own multi-billion dollar racing series. THAT's the answer to the question that nobody was able to find...

Good day gentlemen. I've enjoyed the discussion.

Y'all seen the throwbacks? Some really good looking ones. Larson's Kelloggs throwback is the best one. 2nd would go to SVG with the Marcos Ambrose Stanley scheme.

Oh man I wish TNT would bring back countdown to green with Bill Weber.

Nothing better than at the end of the hour long pre-race show you’d hear Bill say “The countdown clock is at 0. NASCAR Cup series racing…is next”.

He’s retired now though and last I check was working as like a magician in Florida.

Michael McDowell is leaving Front Row at the end of the year. Expected to move to Spire 71 car.

Well that makes things interesting with Trackhouse...

Is it his choice though? There are a lot of rumors of a merger between SHR and Front Row.

McDowell is pushing 40. I like Gilliland long term. Gragson has shown a lot of improvement this year. Berry is a rookie. The only question right now is what happens with Briscoe. I've seen his name connected to Wood Brothers quite a bit. Gotta believe if Tony is out that Briscoe is out too. I saw Custer's name mentioned too.

Yeah I was reading more on it just now and it looks like he was forced out.

And Smoke checked out a while ago.