re: 2016 MLB Free Agents

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He was 6th in fielding percentage.

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although he did post a 2.6 defensive war fielding percentage is a joke.... that 2.6 war was the best he has done in 4 years. He is also 33 (May is his birthday so he is 33 to me) which isn't good for a SS and while he was good last year, moving forward I would not count on that to continue.

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although he did post a 2.6 defensive war fielding percentage is a joke.... that 2.6 war was the best he has done in 4 years. He is also 33 (May is his birthday so he is 33 to me) which isn't good for a SS and while he was good last year, moving forward I would not count on that to continue.

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Well, its a way to contrast against his peers over a borader scope along with the other stats I presented help to paint a picture of the value of his contract. I not ice you completely ignored the rest of what was presented.

The contract goes down to 12 mil per year the last two years. Look, Im not saying that Pertalta is the second coming or anything like that but stating its a "brutal" contract is just wrong when contrasted to his peers vs production/value.

Greinke has been better than shields. Hell get at least 20 million a year in the open market

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its a way to contrast against his peers over a borader scope along with the other stats

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Derek Jeter had a .976 career fielding percentage and he was never a great defensive shortstop

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I not ice you completely ignored the rest of what was presented.

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Actually I did not, the "he was good last year" concerned more than just defense

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Derek Jeter had a .976 career fielding percentage and he was never a great defensive shortstop

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Ok, ignore fielding percentage then.

You are hung up on that. Take it out of the argument then. Forget I said it.

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Actually I did not

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You pretty much did just that by focusing on "laughing" about fielding percentage and blowing off his offensive numbers by summarily saying "wont continue".

Its not the greatest team friendly contract ever but its FAR from "brutal"

That was my point and its backed up by his production thus far through it.

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After 1 season? what if the next 3 years he post .700 OPS seasons with 0 defensive war ratings or negative ratings.... not sure you could judge a contract based on 1 year. Maybe you were wrong initially but unless he found a fountain of youth it will not look good near the end especially when paying almost 12m over the last 2 years of his deal.

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So in your first statement you tell me not to judge based on one year then you go on to speculate about production through the rest of the contract.

Based on a SS who is entering his mid to late 30's.... I don't see him coming close to what he put up last year. I mean his numbers last year were his best offensive numbers since 2011 and his best defensive numbers well ever..... I could see him reverting back to the .260/.315/.400 type player and hitting 10-15 home runs instead of 20+. This isn't the steroid age anymore, players no longer age gracefully especially when playing an important position such as SS. In fact only 5 other teams have a 30 year old SS and only 2 (Rollins and Ramirez of the white sox) are older than Peralta.

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Based on a SS who is entering his mid to late 30's.... I don't see him coming close to what he put up last year. I mean his numbers last year were his best offensive numbers since 2011 and his best defensive numbers well ever..... I could see him reverting back to the .260/.315/.400 type player and hitting 10-15 home runs instead of 20+. This isn't the steroid age anymore, players no longer age gracefully especially when playing an important position such as SS. In fact only 5 other teams have a 30 year old SS and only 2 (Rollins and Ramirez of the white sox) are older than Peralta.

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He will be 35 at the end of the deal, well, he will start the last year at 34 and finish it at 35. I dont think he will put up numbers like last year. Even if production dips 10% each of the last three years I wouldnt call the contract "brutal".

The options were limited for the Cardinals at SS. The market and everything else considered, so far, its been a fairly good deal.

I dont know what his decline will look like. If you or I could accurately predict these things we would be making a lot more money and working in baseball.

My only point was its not a "brutal" contract. There are some brutal MLB contracts out there and this doesnt even register on that scale.

Its not worth arguing over anymore. Hell, I dont even really "like" the Peralta signing. It is what it is.

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Greinke still has nagging injuries time to time

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he had a freak injury in a brawl in his first year in LA and still got to 177 innings, then he got to over 200 last year. hes been pretty healthy while in LA outside of that stupid injury he had in a brawl against san diego

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outside of his Cy season, really hasn't been better than Shields

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during his time in LA, zack has had a better FIP, ERA+, WHIP, strikeouts per nine, and strikeout to walk ratio

Im not dogging the guy, he's a really good pitcher. But he's only been with the Dodgers for 3 seasons.

It's null anyway. He's on the wrong side of 30, is there really anyway he opts out of his final 3 years at $24m per?