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Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:31 am to
Oh yeah, big time

Was a fan of Magic and the Showtime-era Lakers and stuck with them. Said he used to kind of pull for SA when he was a kid, but got his heart broke too much

Needless to say, the playoffs growing up for me were always fun with him around

He actually roots more for SA now than he used to, though. Called their last 3 championship years before the playoffs even started. Crazy.
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 12:33 am
Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
Member since Dec 2012
27230 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:36 am to
Man. My dad made me the Rockets fan I am today. Of course, he claims to be a Mavs fan now. I texted him about DeAndre Jordan today, and he didn't know who he was...

Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:39 am to
for how big a laker fan he was back in the day, my dad really isnt a fan anymore. or of the NBA in general until the playoffs
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:40 am to
Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:42 am to
Yeah. I hope I don't lose my sports fandom as I age, but it seems to happen to most.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:42 am to
quote:

I texted him about DeAndre Jordan today, and he didn't know who he was...


This would trouble my soul

Yeah my dad had more influence over my football fandom (Cowboys/Aggies) than basketball.

He's more of a boxing fan than basketball, though.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:43 am to
quote:


Yeah. I hope I don't lose my sports fandom as I age, but it seems to happen to most.


Will rage against the dying of that light.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145153 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:49 am to
yea me to

honestly my dad is now more of a fan of fricking with me about the lakers and the dodgers than of the teams themselves. i mean i know hes still a fan, but now he likes to give me shite when they lose more
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 12:50 am
Posted by goldenbadger08
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:52 am to
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Yeah. I hope I don't lose my sports fandom as I age, but it seems to happen to most.
I definitely peaked with my LSU fandom around freshman year..
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:27 am to
I have a feeling something similar is is happening with me for the NFL
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:22 am to
I used to fill it up with jamal in nba live 2006. Had a dynasty with isiah's knicks. Eddy Curry was an all-star
Posted by GeauxAggie972
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:30 am to
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I used to fill it up with jamal in nba live 2006. Had a dynasty with isiah's knicks. Eddy Curry was an all-star


Ever since I first saw him pull off the Shake n Bake, he became a mainstay on my NBA 2K franchises
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 8:31 am
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:35 am to
1-9-12 and the subsequent fallout pretty much zapped my LSU football giveafrick.

Look at the kevin steele thread. Hilarious watching ppl try to convince themselves everything is A-ok. We're just young and need a qb!

I think i have just become very cynical towards sports in general. I told my uncle the other night this is the least excited i have been about LSU football ever and even he agreed.

I still love the tournament (shoutout to LSU again) and the nba finals. NFL still kicks arse but i usually find myself watching redzone instead of actual games.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:37 am to
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Yeah. I hope I don't lose my sports fandom as I age, but it seems to happen to most

as an "old man" on the site who has been here for almost 11 years, i can tell you it's almost inevitable...or i hope you do

sports are fine. being as invested in sports as when you were college-aged (and the rough quarter life crisis after) when you should be building your life is probably a bad sign. i get that the philosophical change is scary, but you learn to realize the people who cling to sports to that degree only have sports to cling to. think the J-E-T-S fan caricature
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:52 am to
quote:

1-9-12 and the subsequent fallout pretty much zapped my LSU football giveafrick.



I feel like it doesn't help that LSU hasn't beaten Bama since.

I'm almost half certain that if their next win against Bama is in TS they'll rush the field.

But it was just one game. A huge game, yes, but LSU is still good. You should give a frick. Fournette bout to run wild.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:55 am to
Well, the internal history of the Lakers Front Office has been made public by a well known verified insider to the Buss family: Luca Brasi (on Lakers Ground)

It's a very long but interesting read and covers why Shaq was traded, why the FO maxed out Kobe's final contract, why Jackson was not rehired etc.
quote:


The trouble really started in the 80s.

The Forum in the 80s, you kids have no clue, how wild
it was. If you want to know what kind of a vibe it had listen
to Marvin's Star Spangled Banner. It was nuts, I tell you.

Of course, wild times often lead to sobering realities.

Magic HIV. Gut punch.

Then you had the Magic circus. And by now, the Lakers
hadn't won a title since '88. Jerry was feeling restless, West
was feeling restless.

Jerry being the wise man that he is, knows he needs to invest
to get out of this mess. Instructs West to get him the best free agent
money can buy, and to spend as much as it'll take but, you know, within
reason.

So West keeps having to call Jerry back to see if he'll up the offer.
And Jerry keeps going up, with an expletive matched at the end of
every raise.

But they finally get him. But then West decides I'm gonna do something
no one's ever done before. Pair two alpha athletes together. Everyone is
telling him, You never go two alphas. And West says, That's why I'm doing it.
Because that man has a cross to bear, like nothing you've seen.

Then enter Dell Harris. Jerry's biggest regret. Always believed cost him his
chance to win catch the Celtics. Also, the reason why Brown got the axe. He
reminded Jerry of Dell.

Then you bring in Jackson (I don't call him Phil anymore). Sometime you have
to shake hands with the devil. Or in this case a shaman jester, but with legit voodoo
skills.

And they give Jerry a magical ride.

Around this time, Jerry had already promoted Jeanie (she'd been working her way
through the business side).

Jerry also brings in Jim, so he can hang around the basketball side. Because he was
already setting up a dynamic in his head, Jeanie doesn't really care about basketball
but she's good at marketing and community relations. And Jim can learn the ropes like
West did with Bill and Mitch is doing with West.

Only problem is, when your father brings you in and places you with career guys - guys that
played the game then moved into management or coaching positions - they're going to wise-crack
you. It doesn't make it okay. But that's just the reality. You can't build up petty resentments. Easier
said than done, though.

Jackson woos Jeanie.

West leaves. Because he's already very difficult to work with. Didn't like Phil's hippie personality. And
we wasn't going to baby sit Jim.


With West gone. Mitch steps in. And he shows Jim respect and is willing him teach him the front office side of the game. Simply because
Mitch is a good man.

Then Shaq and Kobe fight, because that is what two Alphas do.

Shaq demands Jerry over pay him. Jerry's calls his bluff. Shaq ask for and gets traded.

Jim, probably a little too eager, hires a coach, a championship coach at that he hopes will diminish Jackson's large shadow.

Doesn't go too well. Not really his fault. There were injuries. But fans still drunk off the championship bubbly of previous years,
start to make a stink.

Enter Jeanie. Gives the bad news to daddy. The fans hate the new coach, daddy. We need to bring Phil back. Jerry always sensitive to fans
feelings. Steps in and gets rid of Rudy. Then rehires Jackson.

So, of course, being back in the cat-bird seat, Jackson turns the volume to 11 on the wise-cracking. That's how he's wired.

Although, to be fair, he did take Jim on road trips and had him sit in on meetings, to continue his seasoning.

Kobe asks for a trade. Jerry calls Kobe's bluff like a champ.

We get Gasol and finally get over the hump again. Giving Jerry his second favorite Lakers' memory.

At this time, Jim influence in the front office is growing bigger. He really pushed for Artest, as did Jackson and Jerry, and it was the right
call. Because it squeezed one more championship, not to mention a win the finals against the Celtics, when Jerry's health
was starting to falter.

And then comes the crash and burn of a championship. Jackson's retirement.

Jim decides to wipe every inch of the Lakers HQ of Jackson's fingerprints.

Jim gets hoodwinked by the huckster known as Mike Brown.

Jim's crowning achievement undone by lack of sibling communication. Pick up the
phone and tell your brother, The climate is toxic for this kind of deal at Gov board meeting.
Delay it.

Chris trade gets vetoed.

Jim puts together a super team.

Unfortunately, he's done in by huckster Brown and an injury to his PG.

Jerry not wanting to see the lakers underachieve in his final months.
Nixes Brown sensing the Harris stench.

Jeanie calls her media people and tells them Jackson is interested in coaching
the team.

Jim and his father decide that with Jackson in the way, Jim will never get a chance to prove himself, and at worst, Jackson will try to push Jim out of basketball OPs with Jeanie's help.

So, they decide to go in a different direction. But see, because Jeanie leaked Jackson was interested, they had to go big, someone they could sell as a real alternative.

Instead of just letting Bernie take over time being, take their time and find a good alternative, they were pressed and grabbed Mike. Really put Mike in a no-win situation.

But this could've all been done with a little grace, but after years of petty resentment, Jim decided to rip Jackson back, by really broad-siding him.

Jeanie of course is incensed.

The team struggles with injuries. Kobe blows out his achilles and we lose our center to FA.

Kobe gets his extension. This was a family decision. They both needed cover. And kobe's the best insurance policy in this city.

The next season we're even worse.

Jeanie pulls the same stunt as she always pulls. Floats Jackson's name for FO position. Jim doesn't budge. Why should he?

Jaskson goes to NY.

We hire our backup backup backup coach. Because no one else was available.

Then comes this curious Jim timeline. Why the hell is this timeline even made public? It places undue pressure on people that are trying make moves based on sound decision-making, not some clock. For some reason Jim decides to confirm this publicly.

Jeanie then uses our TV partner to reiterate who's in power to fire and hire. Why? That just belittles your brother. You're supposed to be working together.

Then we suffer through an even worse season. But have the best draft in a longtime.

Then this FA period happened.

Seriously, what are you two thinking?

If there was too much attention on marketing and business and not enough on basketball and analytics, you don't go make that public. That just makes you look out-dated and jurassic. And gives plenty of ammo to the media to double down on the lakers-are-a-mess narrative. How does that help you or the org? You fix those things quietly.

And you don't make some arbitrary timeline public that was discussed behind close doors. You don't repeatedly mention it, in a threatening manner, and use it as some countdown for the general public. That is incredibly short-sided
if your long term goal is putting together a winning roster, which you claim is all you care about because we owe it to the fans.

Let the animosity go. Or sell the team. Those are the only two options.

Laker fans deserve better than this.


Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73578 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:02 am to
Lakers are a mess
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57306 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:05 am to
I posted that to show that Kobe isn't the driving force behind all this as some people assume. According to the info, this started 30 years ago as an internal Buss family squabble and this ownership debacle seems to be pretty well known in NBA circles. It's no wonder FAs are staying away.
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 9:07 am
Posted by GeauxAggie972
Poterbin Residence
Member since Aug 2009
29447 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:07 am to
Guys, the White Chocolate tradition is in good hands:

Jaxon Williams
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41187 posts
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:13 am to
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why the FO maxed out Kobe's final contract


It is was simple, the Buss family business is the Lakers. Unlike 90% of the other professional sports owners, who make their money elsewhere the Buss' family income is the Lakers.

The Lakers when they signed the TV deal with Time Warner, they wanted the richest local TV deal in sports (more than the Angels get) Because of that they have rating clauses in the deal. If they don't hit a number the money is reduced. Kobe's contract won't bring wins, but it will bring TV money for the Buss family. In the end that is what it was all about.
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