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Timberland Value in 2008 To Calculate Capital Gains On 2023 Taxes. Who do I contact?
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:04 pm
I sold some timberland in Lincoln parish in 2023. I inherited the property.
I need to determine the 2008 value of the property as there will be capital gains on the sale.
Who should I contact to determine the approximate 2008 value?
Any assistance is greatly appreciated and I thank you in advance.
I need to determine the 2008 value of the property as there will be capital gains on the sale.
Who should I contact to determine the approximate 2008 value?
Any assistance is greatly appreciated and I thank you in advance.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:33 pm to Telecaster
A certified appraiser? The American Society of Farm Managers and Rural Appraisers (ASFMRA) or the Appraisal Institute might be helpful?
Maybe a tax advisor or CPA? Tax assessor data from 2008 versus what they've got it appraised for now might give you a factor to scale?
Shout out to Timbaland.
Maybe a tax advisor or CPA? Tax assessor data from 2008 versus what they've got it appraised for now might give you a factor to scale?
Shout out to Timbaland.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:55 pm to RoyalWe
Thanks, I’ll contact the Lincoln parish assessors office today.
I have the 2008 tax bill. The tax bill does not show a value that they assessed the taxes with.
I have the 2008 tax bill. The tax bill does not show a value that they assessed the taxes with.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 1:27 pm to Telecaster
Did the Estate assign a value? Generally, there is an "Inventory and Appraisement" in the Probate/Succession. That might work against you if it was assigned an artificially low number to avoid/minimize estate taxes.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 2:18 pm to LSUGUMBO
I don’t know the value assigned during the Succession. The property was gifted to me by my stepmother about a year after my dad passed away.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:00 pm to Telecaster
Retrospective appraisal, Google that term and you’ll find multiple companies near you.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:29 pm to Telecaster
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I sold some timberland in Lincoln parish in 2023
How many acres, and how much per acre did it sell for? Also, when sold, did it have timber on it or had it been harvested? Thanks.
ETA: I found this gentleman to be knowledgeable, and he went the extra mile to be helpful on a different deal.
Eddie ‘Sarge’ Tolbert
Deputy Assessor, Field Opns
Lincoln Parish Assessors Office
This post was edited on 3/7/24 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:16 pm to Hangit
139 acres, not harvested.
The stand is 26 years old.
eta: Thanks for the info.
The stand is 26 years old.
eta: Thanks for the info.
This post was edited on 3/7/24 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 3/8/24 at 7:26 am to Telecaster
Call the assessor? Hummmm
I would get with the estate attorney and your dad’s cpa - pay them to guide you through the appraisal, basis process and tax filing.
I would get with the estate attorney and your dad’s cpa - pay them to guide you through the appraisal, basis process and tax filing.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:18 am to Telecaster
A forester will put the value on the timber as retro cost basis and an appraiser or re agent can put the bare land value on the dirt. I do these all of the time and they are a pain but it’s the right thing to do.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 1:03 pm to Telecaster
It'll be your dad's cost basis. So, what your dad paid for it. His wife didn't get a step up in basis as they were married. You didn't get a step up in basis because it was gifted to you.
So, whatever your dad paid is the cost basis for you. It should be easy to find that out.
So, whatever your dad paid is the cost basis for you. It should be easy to find that out.
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 3/8/24 at 1:50 pm to lsu13lsu
You sure? I thought spouse typically got half stepped up basis but a little search found
CPA Journal
quote:
if property is classified as community property, not only does the decedent’s share of property receive a new basis but also the surviving spouse’s share receives this same basis if at least one-half of the community property is includable in the decedent’s gross estate.
CPA Journal
Posted on 3/8/24 at 2:35 pm to Telecaster
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Thanks for the info.
Congrats. Nice windfall.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:27 pm to lsu13lsu
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It'll be your dad's cost basis. So, what your dad paid for it. His wife didn't get a step up in basis as they were married. You didn't get a step up in basis because it was gifted to you.
Louisiana is a community property state. So when dad died, stepmother (his wife, i assume) took a basis equal to 100% of FMV at dad's DOD.
When stepmother gifted to the OP, the OP took stepmother's basis in the property due to the gift.
The OP needs a retroactive appraisal. Remember, if you can't prove basis, the basis is zero.
To everyone else on here, please please get appraisals done at date of death. Usually they are done via probate, but if assets pass outside probate (such as a revocable trust) these things tend to get missed.
It's much easier to deal with this in relative real time.
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