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Timber or black walnuts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:17 pm
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:22 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:38 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
I own vacant timberland. I mean I like to hunt but I don’t hunt on the land I own a whole lot. I also am super interested in forest ecology, soil improvement, forestry, so it’s a hobby for me. I got what I still feel like was a pretty good deal — found an estate that was being liquidated and bought it before it hit the market. It’s in the west central area of MS in a good neighborhood, but I don’t think it’s appreciated in value much, though the timber is growing and worth some $. I intend to trade up to more acreage some day. I was only looking for land that had the potential for timber harvest within a 20 yrs or so. Land with poorer timber and in better hunting areas has probably appreciated a little more than mine.
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:38 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
“The U.S. population grew by 0.35% from July 2019 to July 2020, an increase of 1.1 million people in a nation whose estimated population in July was more than 329 million residents, according to Census Bureau estimates.
An analysis by Frey shows that it's the smallest increase this century and smaller than any in the last century as well.”
An analysis by Frey shows that it's the smallest increase this century and smaller than any in the last century as well.”
Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:52 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:56 pm to TheWalkoff
Unless you plan to build on it, real estate should only be purchased if it can produce income. Taxes, insurance and maintenance will make it a poor investment if it’s based upon speculation of it being needed in the future and someone will come along and make you a fortune.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 7:35 pm to TheWalkoff
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We’re having trouble getting inflation to stay at the desired 2%.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 8:21 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
What are the holding costs of the land? Property taxes, possible liability insurance or maintenance required by local codes?
Posted on 1/15/21 at 8:35 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 9:06 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Something to consider is why a 17 acre tract adjacent to a subdivision with utilities is sitting vacant? It's possible whoever developed the existing subdivision just ran out of money to do the next phase, but I'd question why someone else didn't swoop in to develop it.
You might be looking at a great deal but I'd do some investigating to find out if there are some unknown dealkillers lurking that have kept others away.
You might be looking at a great deal but I'd do some investigating to find out if there are some unknown dealkillers lurking that have kept others away.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:20 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Look at a self-directed IRA. It’s like a traditional IRA in that it’s limited to $6000 a year in contributions. However, you can invest in non-traditional vehicles like land, houses, baseball cards, gold, etc, etc. I started one with a large initial investment and then bought several rental properties. The only catch is that all transactions have to go through the IRA: rent, taxes, repairs, expenses, etc, etc.
I will be looking to buy some vacant land as you describe. Probably something to hunt on and cut timber off of.
BTW: you can get mortgages through the IRA to leverage yourself.
I will be looking to buy some vacant land as you describe. Probably something to hunt on and cut timber off of.
BTW: you can get mortgages through the IRA to leverage yourself.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:58 am to UFownstSECsince1950
As long as you have a decent amount of cash and are flexible you can make some good money investing in raw land. Taxes play a big part. Price, desirability, and loan inteset are also very important as would be with any investment.
Ive bought and sold (flipped?) raw residential, water front, timber, recreational over the last 10 years and see annualized returns of 20-30%. You have to be flexible and avoid getting attached to your investment. I hunt on my larger tracks with my 8yo son, but am willing to sell tomorrow if someone comes in at market price.
Good luck and enjoy the challenge. With patience and dilligent research it can be fun and very rewarding.
Ive bought and sold (flipped?) raw residential, water front, timber, recreational over the last 10 years and see annualized returns of 20-30%. You have to be flexible and avoid getting attached to your investment. I hunt on my larger tracks with my 8yo son, but am willing to sell tomorrow if someone comes in at market price.
Good luck and enjoy the challenge. With patience and dilligent research it can be fun and very rewarding.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:20 am to StinkBait72
Can you give some pointers on finding land to buy that can be flipped for a profit? What re you focusing on — the type of land that is somehow undervalued because you know something the sealer doesn’t? or is it the connections, people that you know?
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:26 am to StinkBait72
I have family who have bought and held land in Florida.
Owning a home requires maintenance. Land? No.
And liability insurance shouldn't cost anything on raw land. You are correct if there is fencing or sheds. But liability is typically a minimal insurance cost (about $40 to add an address to an umbrella policy. Less than that if you are extending liability from your home policy).
So the game is timing the market and being comfortable with the tax outflow.
Even an idiot should be able to time things in a long window (20+ years).
But then you are tying up your money for something longer than just a short term inflation hedge.
How long are you seeing inflation as one of the primary motives for this investment strategy? Because I doubt you will outperform the market in a 20 year window.
Owning a home requires maintenance. Land? No.
And liability insurance shouldn't cost anything on raw land. You are correct if there is fencing or sheds. But liability is typically a minimal insurance cost (about $40 to add an address to an umbrella policy. Less than that if you are extending liability from your home policy).
So the game is timing the market and being comfortable with the tax outflow.
Even an idiot should be able to time things in a long window (20+ years).
But then you are tying up your money for something longer than just a short term inflation hedge.
How long are you seeing inflation as one of the primary motives for this investment strategy? Because I doubt you will outperform the market in a 20 year window.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 3:20 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
I don't, but my father's best friend got very rich buying beach front land. He'd buy the property out past existing development, hold it for a while and sell it when the development reached it.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:26 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Sold 7 lots down here to friends of mine about 5 years ago, about 2 years ago...sold 6 of them and they realized about 100% upside. So it depends on where you purchase. If bought in the proper location, the equity can be drawn upon if needed.
Posted on 1/17/21 at 1:13 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Check out AcreTrader. You can sell later and earn a dividend.
Posted on 1/17/21 at 11:21 am to Drizzt
I am holding farmland (inherited) where I grew up. Have had multiple offers to buy but feel better off with the cash rent coming in. I know it’s not the same as your scenario of buying, but the don’t make it anymore. Plus I see a trend where people are wanting to move out from the cities. We have a large Amish population around these properties who are cash heavy and buying anything they can.
Posted on 1/17/21 at 4:13 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Buy land in an area that is suitable for planting Black Walnut trees. Make money on the nuts first. When trees mature you can sell the lumber for $100k per acre.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 12:30 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Yes. I absolutely love land. The freedom of owning beautiful land is one of life’s treasures to me.
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