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Stock plays in Response to Market Mediocrity

Posted on 6/1/12 at 10:22 am
Posted by ich1baN
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/1/12 at 10:22 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRATcG-Ejbw
This post was edited on 6/1/12 at 11:15 am
Posted by ich1baN
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/1/12 at 11:04 am to
The basic premise of this video is capital preservation:

I have been squawking this for a while now among my investor circles.

Main trades:

-Energy: BP (if it hits 33 or under) and natural gas as it heads lower.

-Commodities: Gold and Silver

-Defensive: Walmarts, Dean Foods, etc


Summary:

I like these plays as they limit your exposure to Europe (besides BP but I believe oil will be headed up higher after this mess blows over). I am still bearish on Financials as any contagion fears as I have mentioned in the past could hit the financials as some of these Derivatives are deeply implicated by the big banks. If you are in financials look to limit your exposure as much as possible. Start looking towards the traditional banking types that are less leveraged like WFC, PNC bank, and some of your mid-size regionals.
This post was edited on 6/1/12 at 11:16 am
Posted by LSUTigers00884
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/1/12 at 1:27 pm to
When's the right time to buy into UNG?
Posted by ich1baN
Member since Dec 2010
1812 posts
Posted on 6/1/12 at 11:54 pm to
I'm not a big fan of ETFs in general so I haven't studied UNG but if you want to play the nat gas segment I would look into KMI (Kinder MOrgan) which is a pipeline and Niko Resources (a canadian based co.)

I honestly think oil (as well as nat gas) has some room to fall so I do not recommend buying them atm. I think oil could go as low as 70-75 within a month and depending if the Fed comes out with a massive print before Optwist is over, then oil will likely shoot back up to upper 90s and the train could pull out before you get a chance to buy. Nat gas is likely headed back down to 2 on Nymex, so it has some room to fall as well.

So, your risk in picking up these nat gas plays is beholden atm to what the Fed may or may not do, US economic impacts, and Europe's woes. Imo, if the fed does do something, it is quite likely they will hint about it sometime this month or in July. The markets have another 5-10% to fall before the Fed really starts shaking in their boots. So look for the dow to be around 11-1l.5k before they really start amplifying their language.

My personal buy targets for KMI would be in the 28-29 range. Anything below that is a good buy as it offers a 3.70% div at its current price of 32.35. KMI at 28 a share would mean a div yield of 4.6% which is very attractive considering the horrendous 10y treasury. Niko looks attractive below 21 a share (its current price is 29.07). I give Niko a lower buy rating b/c of the uncertainty of how investors will respond to stocks with 0 dividend in a tumultuous time as now.

Keep in mind as investors flee euro based assets they will be looking for dividend payers that are limited to the impacts of europe's monstrosities.

That is why you see WMT popping the way it is. It is a defensive play that pays a 4.7% dividend. The big institutionals are looking for safe haven equities and assets.

It's time to build a moat.
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 6/2/12 at 6:48 am to
quote:

ich1baN


I like your calls. To me, the next year or so, I been playing the market in the safe mode the pass 2 months. I really don't see any growth coming. Bonds are taking a hit now which I had to bail out. So now I'm 80% in cash and 20% in Goldcorp stock. I had added a shite load of that in the pass month which was a very good play. It sucks being in so much cash, but at my age, I have to look for safe plays now. And you are right that the big traders are looking at stocks that pay dividends and that is safe from world markets.
Posted by ich1baN
Member since Dec 2010
1812 posts
Posted on 6/2/12 at 9:13 am to
FishFighter

Thank you for your response and to tell you the truth I don't blame you at all for being in 80% cash. The hysteria around 10 years is abysmal and it is likely headed even lower up to the decision (I believe around June 17) of whether Greece will exit or stay.

I told my dad to grab Goldcorp before it spiked yesterday and I am glad to hear you have been picking it up over the last month b/c that means you got it at a great price and you are situated nicely. It pays a 3% dividend as well and you are making the flight to safety play which in my opinion you will see a lot of people coming out of the bond market (when it collapses) go into gold and silver equities and physical bullion.

If you ever get an itching to buy another one, I suggest to take a peak at SilverCorp (SVM). They are at a great bargain price. They have no debt, a huge Proven and Probable reserve and best of all they are shielded completely from any type of European contagion as their main mining capacity is in China. (they are the first NA co. to be granted access to Chinese mining development)

Oh and another biggie, they don't hedge which means they have all the upside in the world and their silver cost per ounce is 0 b/c of the periphery metals they mine.

But that is not to say there are not risks as well. China in my opinion has its political risks which is why CEO Dr. Feng (who is Chinese) might be an undervalued asset by the market b/c he has the right connections thus far to have made it into China.

Keep your will strong in this time as there are going to be multiple times that it gets tested and now that you have pulled away from most risky categories, you have really done your mind and body a favor.
Posted by LSUTigers00884
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2011
1160 posts
Posted on 6/2/12 at 10:37 am to
Good stuff man
Posted by ich1baN
Member since Dec 2010
1812 posts
Posted on 6/3/12 at 10:58 am to
Anytime.
Posted by LSUTigers00884
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2011
1160 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 6:56 pm to
ich1ban

been re-reading some of your stuff. I like your NKO.TO call because it is at 27.6 or something like that atm.

I'm a college kid looking to make some short term gains and put the money back into the market for the next 3 years. (just started all of this). Don't have much but enough to make some gains and reinvest. This is my way of saving for marriage.

Still hold out for Niko until 21? It is pretty much at an all time low right now which makes me interested because there is more room for gain.

I like BP at 33 with that 5.2% yield.

Lastly, JPM-- still don't like it? I'm getting antsy for JPM; feel like I want to buy

thanks man. good video btw.
Posted by LSUTigers00884
Lafayette
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Posted on 6/4/12 at 6:56 pm to
Also, any way to Private message on TD?
Posted by greenhead11
Member since Feb 2012
922 posts
Posted on 6/4/12 at 8:36 pm to
Nat gas had IMO an inexplicable run up to 2.50 ish. I would stay away from UNG till we have a catalyst- government backing or mandates, or increased private demand. There is a buttload of NG here.

If you want to hold UNG I would go deep out of the money calls in 2013 that way you limit your down side to what you pay in options premium. Upside far greater
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/4/12 at 8:49 pm to
I would look at fcg before ung. Ung has historically been a weak tracker of nat gas.
Posted by LSUTigers00884
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2011
1160 posts
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:20 am to
bump.
Posted by ich1baN
Member since Dec 2010
1812 posts
Posted on 6/7/12 at 2:13 am to
Hi Tiger,

Sorry I have been away.

If you really want to play the oils and do not have much cash generation at the moment then I highly suggest Calumet (CLMT). It is a master limited partnership which has to pay out 90% of its earnings in order to 'earn' its tax free status. They yield currently north of 10% in dividends.

This would be a perfect play for someone like you that is in college and does not have much to invest with. I have owned them since they were single digits and they have yielded a nice return ever since they were created.

The reason I put a lower buy rating on NKO is b/c of market turmoil and the fact they don't yield anything. There could be a big shift from investors and big money institutionals towards higher yielding equities (there already is to a degree) compared to the atrocious 10 year treas yield.

I like BP anything under 35, and think you might be able to pick it up at 33 as long as oil takes a dive after Bernanke doesn't announce QE tre tomorrow. I think he will hint at it but I don't think the market will like his response. Most likely the market's will be up huge in the hours leading up to his speech.... so from 9:30 am to 10 expect triple digits and then for it calm a bit as the market hangs on his every word and anything that sounds like a dove.

In summary, look at CLMT, it will yield you a nice return and you can reinvest your divs into it automatically.

Posted by ich1baN
Member since Dec 2010
1812 posts
Posted on 6/7/12 at 2:20 am to
I just realized that I suggested Kinder Morgan up above and there is likely some confusion on the stock I suggested.

The Kinder Morgan I am speaking of is ticker symbol KMI. It yields almost 4% and is around 31 a share. Anything under 30 would be a tremendous buy imo.
Posted by ich1baN
Member since Dec 2010
1812 posts
Posted on 6/7/12 at 10:59 am to
quote:

I think he will hint at it but I don't think the market will like his response. Most likely the market's will be up huge in the hours leading up to his speech.... so from 9:30 am to 10 expect triple digits and then for it calm a bit as the market hangs on his every word and anything that sounds like a dove.


So as I predicted the markets were up triple digits up to Bernanke's speech and he did not admit a new QE program (but had hints of doves as I suggested) and for w/e reason precious metals took it in the shorts although the market has calmed a bit from its session highs, to up double digits.

I expect Big Ben to come in sometime between June 16-21 and give some sort of explicit monetary easing extension. I will discuss more when I have more to tell.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 6/7/12 at 11:10 am to
Posted by LSUTigers00884
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2011
1160 posts
Posted on 6/21/12 at 4:43 pm to
Niko got destroyed today. At 13.21.
You said buy at 21-- what's going on with this company? Still a buyer?
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